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Can Russia Ever Learn To Live Without Its Imperial Ambitions?
WorldCrunch ^ | October 29, 2023 | Janusz Onyszkiewicz

Posted on 11/12/2023 4:21:24 AM PST by tlozo

For Moscow to finally let go of its imperial ambitions, it must lose the war it has been waging in Ukraine. As the history of the last few hundred years shows, this is the only way Russia will change.

The idealogue at the head of Putinist Russia, Vladislav Surkov, has made his vision of an ideal Russia very clear. In his view, Russia is a country that “having stopped falling, has begun to rebuild itself and returned to the natural and only possible state of a great, growing and land-collecting community of nations."

Surkov says that Russia makes "no promise" of peace. “The immodest role given to our country by universal history does not allow us to leave the stage or remain silent in the crowd," he declared.

Faith in a 'historical mission'

This feeling of Russia having a historical destiny, and an imperative to expand its territory is not new. It goes back as far as the 15th century, after the capture of Constantinople by the Turks when the ruler of Moscow considered himself the successor of the Byzantine and Roman Empires, and the only defender of the true Christian faith, untainted by what they believed to be Latinism and sterile rationalism. Even the title of tsar adopted by Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century was a reference to the Roman title of Caesar.

Pavel Miliukov, the 20th-century historian and political activist, wrote 100 years ago about the tsars’ ambitions. According to him, if you asked about their program of action, "They would probably not be able to develop a program other than the old, traditional one, which has become an instinct: to seek and collect even more."

Almost 200 years later, Peter I solemnly assumed the title of Emperor of All Russia. Russia was officially becoming an empire, and, thus, the main function of the empire was constant territorial expansion.

Jan Kucharzewski, the historian and former Prime Minister of Poland, likewise acknowledged Russian imperialism. “Russia, in its wars of conquest, has used (the same) traditional methods for centuries," he wrote. “When seizing lands, it claimed that it was regaining them, even when it came to the Amur Land, and that it was liberating the people of these lands either from the yoke of a foreign nation or from the yoke of political and social oppression," he added, arguably predicting the Russian narrative of “liberating” or “de-nazifying” Ukraine.

For Kucharzewski, these imperial conquests were always justified “on the basis of some alleged old titles and demagogy, national and social, applied to the country against which the fight is being waged in order to weaken it internally," which he also referred to as “political means used to justify and support military action." Endless expansion

The accuracy of this assessment is backed up by Russia’s past, as well as by the government’s current choices. When Soviet commander Semyon Budyonny's horse army approached Lviv and Zamość during the Soviet-Polish war in 1920, it was supposedly fighting, as Russian writer Isaac Babel wrote, not against Polish workers or peasants, but was “attacking the nobility."

According to the Russian narrative, Putin's shameful attack on Ukraine is aimed not at subjugating Ukrainians, but at "denazification" , that is, freeing them from the oppressive and anti-national regime of President Zelensky.

The expanding borders of the Russian Empire were drawn in the mid-19th century by the Russian poet and diplomat Fyodor Tyutchev:

Seven inner seas, seven rivers

From the Nile to the Neva, from the Elbe to Cathay

From the Volga to the edges of the Euphrates, Ganges, and the Danube

It is said that when Vladimir Putin asked a young boy where Russia ends, and was told "at the Bering Strait near Alaska", that he smiled and said: "No, Russia doesn't end." This is very similar to a common joke in Poland, which reads, "With whom does Russia share a border?" "With whoever it wants to." image of a protest with a woman holding a sign saying "no to Russian imperialism"

Superpower pride

Russians have almost always been aware of comparisons made between them and the West, especially when it comes to the standard of living and the degree of economic development. In their own view, the lack of freedom was to be compensated by the sense of the country's greatness and strength and the importance of the historical mission it supposedly had to fulfill.

As Mikhail Lermontov wrote: "Let me be a slave, but a slave of the tsar of the world," and the 19th-century historian Sergei Soloviev claimed that for an autocratic state the goal is not prosperity, but "the glory of the citizens, the state and the ruler," and that "national pride arouses in the nation governed by authority, the sense of freedom that drives them to great deeds no less than freedom itself."

"You will get rich quickly, but don't interfere with my rule."

We find all of these ideas lingering today, in the narrative and policy of Putin's Russia. When the 2008 financial crisis exposed the country's economic weakness, citizens lost the belief that Russia would soon become one of the largest economic powers, that the ruble would be the world's reserve currency next to the dollar, and Moscow would be one of the financial centers on a par with New York, Frankfurt and London.

Putin's informal deal with Russians had been "You will get rich quickly, but don't interfere with my rule." But the crash showed that this could soon stop working, and had to be replaced with something else — something well embedded in the Russian tradition: to replace bread with imperial games, and a sense of imperial grandeur. Russia under Putin’s rule was to become great again and, just as the country had defended the world from Nazism, now it was to face American hegemony and the nihilism of the West, threatening the true Christian civilization represented and protected, as always, by Russia. Putin cannot co-exist with Ukraine

Since then, Putin himself has crafted a new role. As Dmitry Trenin of the Carnegie Moscow Center wrote: “At the end of his four-year term, Putin seemed imbued with a sense of history and God's mandate. Perceived as a pragmatist and outspoken public official, the country manager turned into a missionary. Putin not only appealed to God in his public speeches, but also behaved as someone who was carrying out a work entrusted to him by the Almighty. Later, during the 2014 Ukraine crisis, it allowed Putin to remain calm and confident that God was on his — and Russia's — side in a new, fierce competition with the United States."

There are many indications that this new legitimization of Putin's power has been accepted by many in the country. Putin describes himself as "a leading Russian nationalist." And a Russian nationalist, as sociologist Irina Glebova wrote, "refers to memories of the power of the Soviet state and the Russian Orthodox superpower greatness and satisfies the spontaneous social demand for it," which results in an increased support for the government.

The return of the imperial idea and the complete rejection of the West does not have to be permanent.

This makes a permanent treaty ending the war with Ukraine, which in Putin's propaganda is compared to the Great Patriotic War with Hitler's Germany, virtually impossible. At least as long as imperial and nationalist intoxication persists in Russia. Is a gentler Russian nationalism possible?

In spite of its long tradition, this imperialism does not have to last forever. First, it is not entirely clear to what extent the public actually support President Putin and his policies. It is important to remember the political conditions in which surveys are conducted and the degree of refusal to respond.

Secondly, one cannot underestimate the courage and determination of those, many of them, who demonstrated against the war. Today, such demonstrations are not visible, but these people did not disappear, even if many of them fled abroad. The return of the imperial idea and the complete rejection of the West does not have to be permanent.

It is worth recalling what Vladimir Putin himself said relatively recently. He made a clear proposal that only in cooperation with Russia can Europe become a powerful and independent factor in world politics. The well-known Russian political scientist Alexei Arbatov envisioned Russia's entry into the EU as late as 2007, which he believed would prompt the creation of "the most powerful global center of military, economic and cultural power."

As for today's emphasizing of the fundamental and supposedly insurmountable differences between European and Russian civilization, it is worth remembering what Putin himself or Sergey Lavrov said about Russia's Europeanness: the latter claimed that there is no conflict of values between Russia and the West. image of Vladimir Putin Stuck in the old world

In turn, another significant Russian political scientist and politician, Vladimir Lukin, wrote that "Russia has always been part of the Old World ... and will be able to resist the pressure of Asia, America and other civilizational centers of gravity only if it is with Europe."

The awareness of the failure of Putin's policy, which led to the loss of chances to win over Ukraine, to the collapse of the myth about the strength and greatness of the Russian armed forces, to the international isolation of Russia and to its increasing dependence on the increasingly stronger and potentially dangerous China, has the potential bring about a redefinition of Russian nationalism.

One thinks of General Aleksandr Lebed, a Russian nationalist and veteran of many battles, who claimed in the 1990s that “the era of empires is over. You can pity her, she was great and proud, but a new era is beginning — the construction of a full-fledged Russian nation state. In the international arena, pragmatic nationalism means that ... Russia does not intend to pay a disproportionate price for a return to the imperial chimera”.

So, Russian nationalism may take a less threatening form. Maybe Russia will follow in the footsteps of other countries that have dealt with their imperial past. A necessary condition: Russian defeat in the war with Ukraine

Russia will not disappear from the map. The problem is whether it will continue to build its greatness on constant expansion and domination, or on the strength of its culture, economy and prestige resulting from compliance with the rule of national and international law.

For Russia to change, it must lose the war with Ukraine. As the history of the last few hundred years shows, Russia has changed only in such a situation. This was the case after the Crimean War in the mid-19th century, after the Russo-Japanese War in 1905, after the First World War and after the Cold War.

The military defeat should become an opportunity for those who think about a different Russia, but are unable to do anything today. These people must be remembered. And remember that whatever Putin says today: Russia, although it will probably remain outside the European Union, will remain part of Europe.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cantgetalong; cantstopattacking; cantstopinvading; communism; no; nomore3daywars; putin; putinisinsane; russia; russiaindecline; russiaiscommunist; russianmenace; sovietunion; ukraine
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1 posted on 11/12/2023 4:21:24 AM PST by tlozo
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To: tlozo

Like Golda Meir said, Russians bring nothing but misery.


2 posted on 11/12/2023 4:25:44 AM PST by yldstrk
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To: tlozo

this is why Ukraine and Moldova must both be brought under the NATO umbrella

because Putin won’t stop attacking otherwise


3 posted on 11/12/2023 4:26:41 AM PST by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: yldstrk
Golda Meir is your inspiration? Seriously?

4 posted on 11/12/2023 4:31:04 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

You got a problem with that?


5 posted on 11/12/2023 4:36:42 AM PST by yldstrk
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To: tlozo

Empires became empires because their economy is based on conquest and taxation. They take a territory and suck it dry and then they must take another territory and suck that dry. Rome went through the entire cycle, finally becoming so big it fell apart under its own weight. All taxes in the Russian federation are paid to Moscow and then reapportioned to the satellite states. As there is less and less money those states are getting fractious and wanting to break away so they can manage their own futures.

What broke the mold of empires and turned the world around was America’s strategic overwatch that enabled every country to act as though it had alone won WWII. For the first time anyone could go anywhere, buy rather than steal a commodity, take it home and metabolize it into a good that could be sold. No navy was necessary. But Russia became a Mafia state and had to continue operating like an empire of old. Politically, Russia can’t allow its former colony countries to succeed as part of the American overwatch because Russian citizens will look over and wonder why they are still poor and downtrodden. Therefore, Russia has to move in and take away any success from its former colonies and pay that stolen money to its constituents to keep down the fires of revolution. If the war had gone as planned, they’d have managed to keep Russia together for a bit longer. But they are on the downhill slope of empire. They can’t stop now because if they do, the Federation will tear itself apart.


6 posted on 11/12/2023 4:45:48 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: tlozo

Russia has always behaved like schoolyard bully - beating up on or intimidating the weak to hide its own deep-seated insecurity and its inherent and insurmountable vacuousness.


7 posted on 11/12/2023 4:48:41 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: tlozo

It’s OK when The Swamp does it, though.


8 posted on 11/12/2023 4:57:52 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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Russians always had the idea of a paternalistic governent. Like children who want to be lead and taught by a father figure...i.e. the czar.

Maybe they never got over it


9 posted on 11/12/2023 5:14:20 AM PST by SMARTY ("A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies." Tennyson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yeah - but the Swamp sends flowers after they’ve done it.


10 posted on 11/12/2023 5:17:48 AM PST by Palio di Siena (P01135809)
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To: tlozo

Every country that can see the opening wants imperial ambitions. And that includes the United States. We have approximately 750 military bases overseas. That seems kinda imperialistic to me.

Of course it can be argued that those bases are there for the common good. Pretty much the same thing Imperial Britain said way back when.


11 posted on 11/12/2023 5:22:18 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: tlozo
Simple answer, no

Muskovy is still in essence a central Asian culture, bequeathed on the Slaves by the Mongol invasion in the 11thu century, which didn't end until about 1480. Do not try to think of them as an enlightened European nation. Best exposition of their mindset is here, from a Finnish intelligence colonel, circa 2018.

https://ricochet.com/1214468/finnish-intelligence-officer-explains-the-russian-mindset/

12 posted on 11/12/2023 5:27:27 AM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: tlozo
OTD in 2021


13 posted on 11/12/2023 5:39:47 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

excellent comments on this thread

putin is an evil man. he is not Christian in any real sense. he is a murderer and a monster


14 posted on 11/12/2023 5:42:41 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Apparatchik
Russia has always behaved like schoolyard bully - beating up on or intimidating the weak to hide its own deep-seated insecurity and its inherent and insurmountable vacuousness.

Obviously, this description could never be applied to the United States of America.

The US of A never beats up weaker nations, and we clearly are a display of ethics and morality to the rest of the world.

15 posted on 11/12/2023 5:49:35 AM PST by Captain Walker ("It is infinitely better to have a few good Men, than many indifferent ones." - George Washington)
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To: Captain Walker
The US of A never beats up weaker nations, and we clearly are a display of ethics and morality to the rest of the world.

Which is reflected by the tremendous number of new recruits for the all volunteer military. Thru the roof.

16 posted on 11/12/2023 5:51:30 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Captain Walker
The US of A never beats up weaker nations

List the nations we have "beat up" and annexed after WW2. Article is "Can Russia Ever Learn To Live Without Its Imperial Ambitions?"

17 posted on 11/12/2023 6:03:50 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Captain Walker

Spare me your false moral equivalence arguments. That tired trope died out when the Soviet Union and the American Communist movement imploded in the 1990s. It was a ploy used by the Far Left and has no place here on FR.


18 posted on 11/12/2023 6:11:44 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: tlozo

It isn’t Russia that’s spreading LGBT, Marxism, abortion, environmental extremism, and disruptive mass migration throughout the globe. NATO, the woke Pope, Soros, and the EU are the bigger threats by far.


19 posted on 11/12/2023 6:14:57 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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List the nations we have "beat up" and annexed after WW2. Article is "Can Russia Ever Learn To Live Without Its Imperial Ambitions?"

So now it's "annexed"; your shifting of the goal posts is noted. (But I won't bring up Hawaii, because that was early in the 20th century.)

Just look at our hyper-aggressive policy in the Middle East for the past 30 or so years, and tell me we aren't beating up weaker nations.

We're currently in Syria on our own invitation (because, "'Murica!", or some other similar drivel that seems to propel our use of military force) and our CIA supported the coup in Ukraine that started the conflict between that country and Russia.

20 posted on 11/12/2023 6:15:28 AM PST by Captain Walker ("It is infinitely better to have a few good Men, than many indifferent ones." - George Washington)
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