Posted on 11/09/2023 8:41:46 AM PST by DFG
This really is settled stuff. I don't think ANYTHING I could provide you would satisfy you. And, I don't intend to do anything of the sort, as to truly know truth is only possible with personal research and vetting, and NOT spoon fed as seems to be animating your approach.
However, FBO others, here is just 3 seconds of search time, from the perhaps thousands of sources, that even the leftist google search provides:
GOLDSTEIN: Israel’s enormous blunder — it helped to create Hamas
Hamas was formed in the early 1970s as a charitable offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood under the name Mujama al-Islamiya. By Sheikh Yassin, you might recall him being his by an airstrike around 20 years ago. They were what a legitimate charity passed for at the time, building schools, clubs, and especially Mosques, nearly half the Mosques in Gaza. In 87-88 Yassin, having significant influence in Gaza through his building programs formed Hamas as the military of the Brotherhood in palestine. They were not founded by Israel which is why you can’t find that information most places. They were not as aggressively pursued by Israel as the PLO was a much more serious threat at the time. Mujama al-Islamiya continued as a Hamas/Brotherhood affiliated charity and is still in existance today. But yes, they tolerated them as a secular offset to the PLO which is hardly creating or encouraging them. In fact a year after the formation of Hamas in 87-88 Yassin was enjoying the hospitality of an Israeli prison for “life”, traded a decade later for two Mossad agents held in Jordan.
Anyone demanding why Israel wasn’t on guard on 10/7?
Who? Other than Israel, who has clearly said it’s a topic to be discussed later.
You’re good at providing links, but you’re not very good at reading them.
While Israel did have backdoor contacts with Ahmed Yassin, a blind wheel-chair bound Muslim who had founded an organization in 1973 called Mujama al-Islamiya, this was before the formation of Hamas. At the time, Mujama al-Islamiya was focused, or claimed to be, on social and religious causes rather than militancy. It was viewed as a counter-weight to the influence of the secular but more militant Fatah and PLO.
Over the following decade, the organization became more militant, eventually leading to the founding of Hamas in 1987. By then, the Israelis had long since stopped any support it may have given to the earlier organization.
Were the earlier contacts the Israelis had with Yassan, a mis-calculation? Probably. But we’re talking about events that happened 40-50 years ago prior to Hamas’s founding. The growth of Hamas into what it has become today, took place well after the Israeli’s had cut ties with Yassan.
Here’s some more background on the founding of Hamas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hamas
I think it’s a legitimate question. If the government wants to go around demanding answers, the people deserve to know why they weren’t protected that day.
It is, but not a public priority in the middle of a war. I won’t be surprised if it costs Netanyahu his job in the end. There’s been enough in the public press that one can get a good idea, Israel wasn’t paying attention.
Fake News is an accomplice in crimes every day
What if it gets people to stop fighting knowing their governments and institutions are tricking them into it?
You think the Israeli government instigated the attack? I see nothing suggesting that, I doubt Israelis do, but if they decide to stop fighting the’ll lose, Hamas will win. Not really worth discussing.
Agreed. Hamas is still Hamas, regardless of Israel’s intelligence failures. Even if it was more than just an accidental failure, as some are suggesting, Hamas is still Hamas, dedicated to their war god. The cause of the intelligence failure needs to be known and dealt with appropriately, but that doesn’t let Hamas off the hook.
Such suggestions remind me of arguments we heard after 9/11. The U.S. created Al-Qaeda, we were told, so we had no business going into Afghanistan to root them out. Absurd logic, because, regardless of its origins, they were carrying out attacks in the here and now and were committed to destroying us.
We formed a commission to investigate Pearl Harbor, several weeks after Hiroshima/Nagasaki. al Quaida, yes, we supported the mujahideen, I’m not aware of any investigation of that. Nor do I think one was necessary. Middle of the war isn’t the right time. Particularly since Israel’s strategic planning and intelligence seem to be functioning quite well. When it’s done there’ll be time for investigations and elections.
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