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A Secret War, Strange New Wounds and Silence From the Pentagon
NYT via Yahoo ^ | November 5th, 2023 | Dave Philipps and Matthew Callahan

Posted on 11/05/2023 10:26:22 AM PST by Mariner

When then-Lance Cpl. Javier Ortiz came home from a secret mission in Syria, the ghost of a dead girl appeared to him in his kitchen. She was pale and covered in chalky dust, as if hit by an explosion, and her eyes stared at him with a glare as dark and heavy as oil.

The 21-year-old Marine was part of an artillery gun crew that fought against the Islamic State group, and he knew that his unit’s huge cannons had killed hundreds of enemy fighters. The ghost, he was sure, was their revenge.

A shiver went through him. He backed into another room in his apartment near Camp Pendleton in California and flicked on the lights, certain that he was imagining things. She was still there.

A few days later, in the barracks not far away, a 22-year-old Marine, Lance Cpl. Austin Powell, pounded on his neighbor’s door in tears and stammered, “There’s something in my room! I’m hearing something in my room!”

His neighbor, Lance Cpl. Brady Zipoy, 20, searched the room but found nothing.

“It’s all right; I’ve been having problems, too,” Zipoy said, tapping his head. The day before, he bent down to tie his boots and was floored by a sudden avalanche of emotion so overwhelming and bizarre that he had no words for it. “We’ll go see the doc,” he told his friend. “We’ll get help.”

All through their unit — Alpha Battery, 1st Battalion, 11th Marines — troops came home feeling cursed. And the same thing was happening in other Marine and Army artillery units.

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: demons; dybbuks; ghosts; spooks
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It's no unusual for the military and VA to respond decades to late for thousands.

But they eventually do.

1 posted on 11/05/2023 10:26:22 AM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner

I can only imagine the “shock wave” impact of thousands of large rounds being fired over a short time. That has shake your head a bit.


2 posted on 11/05/2023 10:28:32 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: Mariner

It’s the NYT. They’re trying to scare/intimidate/shame the IDF who are currently trying to obliterate Hamas. Think about the timing.


3 posted on 11/05/2023 10:39:57 AM PST by fightin kentuckian
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To: fightin kentuckian

The entire account is quite possibly fictional.

It’s how the NYT does business.


4 posted on 11/05/2023 10:42:39 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Scoff at it and it’s no-win.


5 posted on 11/05/2023 10:45:25 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Vermont Lt

I can only imagine the “shock wave” impact of thousands of large rounds being fired over a short time. That has shake your head a bit.

Around 2000 I was taking a martial arts class with an Army veteran who was either in Vietnam, or had enlisted some time in the 70’s. I can’t remember what his MOS was, but I do remember him mentioning something about firing the old .50 machine guns. “Ma Deuce” Somehow we got to talking about hearing loss, and he brought up some issued he had with his hearing, and the long term effects of firing a .50 M2. My 20 year old self respectfully asked him if he was using earpro, which he was, but he pointed out that the concussion of firing that thing, combined with actually jostling his entire body to include his head had all kinds of effects on his hearing. The machine gun was shaking up the small bones in his ears.


6 posted on 11/05/2023 10:57:33 AM PST by Antihero101607
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To: fightin kentuckian; BenLurkin
It’s the NYT

Yep. See Tagline.

7 posted on 11/05/2023 11:01:12 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: Mariner
I could read, "An investigation by The New York Times found that many of the troops sent to bombard the German State during 1942 to 1945 returned to the United States plagued by nightmares, panic attacks, depression and, in a few cases, hallucinations."

But the focus here is upon a certain class:

The only thing remarkable about their deployments was the sheer number of artillery rounds they had fired. The United States had made a strategic decision to avoid sending large numbers of ground troops to fight the Islamic State, and instead relied on airstrikes and a handful of powerful artillery batteries to, as one retired general said at the time, “pound the bejesus out of them.” The strategy worked: Islamic State positions were all but eradicated, and hardly any U.S. troops were killed. But it meant that a small number of troops had to fire tens of thousands of high-explosive shells — far more rounds per crew member, experts say, than any U.S. artillery battery had fired at least since the Vietnam War. Military guidelines say that firing all those rounds is safe. What happened to the crews suggests that those guidelines were wrong. The cannon blasts were strong enough to hurl a 100-pound round 15 miles, and each unleashed a shock wave that shot through the crew members’ bodies, vibrating bone, punching lungs and hearts, and whipping at cruise-missile speeds through the most delicate organ of all: the brain.

8 posted on 11/05/2023 11:01:31 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Mariner

The NYT is talking about a ghost visiting an American soldier in his kitchen back home?


9 posted on 11/05/2023 11:03:48 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Steely Tom

LOL. All the ghouls that’s fit to print...


10 posted on 11/05/2023 11:11:12 AM PST by fhayek
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To: Mariner

Veterans who served in Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos during the Vietnam War have a higher prevalence of mental health issues, particularly PTSD, compared with both other Vietnam-era Veterans and non-Veterans, according to an analysis of data from the Vietnam Era Health Retrospective Observational Study (VE-HEROeS).Mar 17, 2022.

Throw agent Orange issues into the above to really make being a Nam Combat Vet suffering life long and unresolved issues.


11 posted on 11/05/2023 11:12:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Flu vaccines, might work, if you’ve never had that flu! Otherwise, they don't do any good/nor work!!)
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To: Mariner

There are many good comments on this post. But for me the bottom line is that we have no business having troops in Syria. None at all.

Years ago I attended an exhibition given by a Japanese karate master. He went over many defensive moves. Then he said the best defensive move of all is “not to be there”.

I wouldn’t say that’s true 100% of the time. But it’s true most of the time.


12 posted on 11/05/2023 11:13:35 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Veterans who served in Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos during the Vietnam War have a higher prevalence of mental health issues, particularly PTSD, compared with both other Vietnam-era Veterans and non-Veterans, according to an analysis of data from the Vietnam Era Health Retrospective Observational Study (VE-HEROeS).Mar 17, 2022. Throw agent Orange issues into the above to really make being a Nam Combat Vet suffering life long and unresolved issues.

As Carlin said, "If we still called it 'shell shock' they might have gotten the help they needed at the time."

13 posted on 11/05/2023 11:14:12 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: daniel1212

Back in the 80s when I was tanker, we were doing some shared range time at Grafenwøhr with some German tankers. One of the germans was walking around with a jump about every 3rd step. The guys in his unit said that he was walking between tanks during a stationary night gunnery and had been about 15 feet from a main gun when it went off in the pitch darkness next to him. Shook him up quite a bit.


14 posted on 11/05/2023 11:14:37 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Leaning Right
He went over many defensive moves. Then he said the best defensive move of all is “not to be there”.

Mr. Miyagi said the same thing in "The Karate Kid".
15 posted on 11/05/2023 11:16:09 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: Steely Tom
All kinds of events can give you PTSD. Not nice, not a joke.


16 posted on 11/05/2023 11:27:51 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: glorgau
Back in the 80s when I was tanker, we were doing some shared range time at Grafenwøhr with some German tankers.

Do you perhaps mean Grafenwöhr?

Regards,

17 posted on 11/05/2023 11:30:04 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Bonemaker

Sorry, I didn’t make my point well.

I wasn’t saying that a man who’s been in battle can’t see a ghost.

My point was that the New York Times is suddenly able to write about, and treat, a supernatural occurrence as a real event. They usually scoff at such things, particularly as they relate to those who believe in God.


18 posted on 11/05/2023 11:31:39 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Mariner

There’s a spiritual aspect to all this. Demonic oppression is real. All military need the protection of Jesus Christ. I’ve been to places on deployment where you could feel the oppression. Without the covering of Jesus that stuff can follow you home.


19 posted on 11/05/2023 11:31:59 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Mariner

Walter Duranty, NYT liar, moved to the Soviet Union.
Will Dave Philipps and Matthew Callahan be moving to Syria soon?


20 posted on 11/05/2023 11:39:10 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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