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Australia Warns Ferries about EVs
Watts Up with that ^ | 10/29/2023 | Andy May

Posted on 10/29/2023 9:34:29 PM PDT by george76

Australia’s Maritime Safety Authority has issued a domestic commercial vessel safety alert on the risks of ferrying battery powered cars (EVs), download it here. Each ferry operator must conduct a risk assessment for their vessel to ensure that they are capable of dealing with potential EV fires. They list the risks of carrying EVs as follows:

High voltage shocks.

Direct jet flames.

Fires develop in intensity quickly and rapidly reach their maximum intensity (typically within 2-3 minutes).

Toxic gases.

Gas explosion (if the released gas accumulates for a while before being ignited).

Long lasting re-ignition risk (can ignite or re-ignite weeks, or maybe months after the provoking incident).

Once established fires are difficult to stop/extinguish.

Thermal runaway.

They go on to add that EVs are approximately 25% heavier than vehicles with internal combustion engines. This should be considered when placing the vehicles on the ferry or ship to minimize the potential impact on vessel stability.

Lithium-ion batteries have been known to suffer from spontaneous thermal runaway fires. The lower the charge retained by the vehicle’s battery the lower the likelihood of a thermal runaway fire, checking the charge on each vehicle can help in assessing the risk.

Some battery powered vehicles have a lower ground clearance than internal combustion engine vehicles. This means they are more susceptible to damage from ramps during boarding. Care should be taken in identifying these vehicles before boarding to ensure damage is not sustained to the battery. Any damage to any part of the battery increases the risk of fire. Physical damage to the battery can lead to thermal runaway. EVs which have been damaged should not be loaded. Charging the battery while onboard is very dangerous and can increase the likelihood of a thermal runaway fire, do not allow charging any EV on your vessel.

Fumes given off by lithium-ion batteries are toxic, gas masks are necessary when fighting the fire. When fighting a lithium-ion battery vehicle fire with water, substantially higher quantities of water are required in comparison to an internal combustion vehicle fire. The water must also be applied for a longer period. There is also a risk of re-ignition. Using other methods such as a car fire blanket designed to extinguish EV fires can help. A damaged high-voltage battery can create rapid heating of the battery cells. If you notice hissing, whistling, or popping, a possible sweet chemical smell, then black “smoke” (nanoparticles of heavy metals, not smoke) then white vapor coming from the high voltage battery assume that thermal runaway has occurred. Directly attacking the fire with water hoses and breaking open the battery requires specialist training and equipment. Do attempt this without extensive training and practice.

EVs are in real trouble. EV insurance rates are higher than for internal combustion engine (ICE) cars due to the risk of intense fires, higher cost of repairs, and the cost of replacement batteries. EVs are much more likely to be totaled after an accident and repairing them takes much longer than for an ICE. Be very careful about putting an EV in your garage, especially with a built-in charging station.

Ignacio Galán, the chief executive of Spanish utility Iberdrola, said in 2018, that the renewable industry was facing a possible “Enron” style collapse. The era of cheap money is gone, and the new higher interest rates will shake out any weak renewable companies, as well as weak EV manufacturers. From an investor point of view be very careful. EV bankruptcies have already occurred (also see here), and more are on the way. Solar startup bankruptcies are increasing (see also here and here). Wind power isn’t doing much better, Siemens is in real trouble (see here). My state of Texas is also hurting. We all eventually have to pay the piper.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: australia; automotive; batteries; electric; ev; evfire; evfires; evs; fires; insurance; lithiumion; lithiumionbatteries
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1 posted on 10/29/2023 9:34:29 PM PDT by george76
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Maritime insurers should either just say no OR charge a prohibitive premiun for coverage.


2 posted on 10/29/2023 9:44:07 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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Stupidity rewards its practitioners with loss of money. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of electricity generation could see ( if they wanted to look) that EVs are inferior to ICE vehicles and that the so-called renewables are a scam. Like a Ponzi scheme the whole EV/renewable energy/climate change scam will collapse. Only reason it’s gone on as long as it has is corrupt politicians (ie Democrats) kelp pouring our money into it. In a free market it would have died years ago.


3 posted on 10/29/2023 9:48:25 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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How can ANYONE (aside from a commiecrat) still think that these glorified golf carts are a good idea?


4 posted on 10/29/2023 9:49:37 PM PDT by 43north (America doesn't need an election. We need an exorcism.)
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To: george76
They should also warn about Fairies and HIVs.

5 posted on 10/29/2023 9:50:44 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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Shocking, positively shocking that, matie!


6 posted on 10/29/2023 10:29:34 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: george76

Hang ‘em over the side on davits. If the catch fire, jettison into the sea.

One of the worst places I can think of for an EV is near salt water.


7 posted on 10/29/2023 10:42:05 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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So safe and environmentally sound… just keeps getting better. Yep.


8 posted on 10/29/2023 10:57:40 PM PDT by vpintheak (There is no Trans. There is only mentally ill)
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To: george76
Burning Down the House Boat - Talking Heads
9 posted on 10/29/2023 11:01:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: george76

Park them on deck and have a device that can sweep them off that deck into the ocean. Think pin ball paddle : )


10 posted on 10/29/2023 11:30:22 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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Other then all the bad side effects listed above of an electric vehicle, it is safe and good for the environment.....


11 posted on 10/29/2023 11:34:38 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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They will rue the day ICE cars were sent away.


12 posted on 10/29/2023 11:38:29 PM PDT by lee martell
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No Worries!

Each ferry should have a flat barge towed behind it where all the EVs park. As soon as a problem develops, cut the barge free and shazam! No problem!

I suppose the only other question is should the EV owners be forced to remain with their EV.


13 posted on 10/30/2023 12:40:00 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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I never thought of the dangers of EV’s on a ferry. Wonder how long it will be before places here take notice. Seems like they’d either have to be banned or be ferried on car ferries with no passengers.


14 posted on 10/30/2023 3:11:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: from occupied ga
Like a Ponzi scheme the whole EV/renewable energy/climate change scam will collapse.

Not exactly a Ponzi scheme, more a mass popular delusion. All of us get most of our information from third parties. The media have been thoroughly politicized and dominated by people with virtually no technical or scientific knowledge who are easily lead and manipulated by artful and deceptive characters. Although, frankly, calling Michael Mann "artful" is an adjective too far.

“Every age has its peculiar folly—some scheme, project, or phantasy into which it plunges, spurred on either by the love of gain, the necessity of excitement, or the mere force of imitation.”

― Charles Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds


15 posted on 10/30/2023 3:47:46 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: nuconvert

IMO, watch what happens the first time there is an EV battery fire on a US ferry and there is loss of life.


16 posted on 10/30/2023 4:11:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: george76

Scam from the get go.

Just like they pushed the covid vax, gov pushes this.

Fascism at work.


17 posted on 10/30/2023 4:28:15 AM PDT by fruser1
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I have to take a 2 hr ferry several times a year. Starting with the first ship fire with EV cars (off the coast of the Azores in February a year ago), I contacted the ferry operator to ask what they were doing to deal with EV cars. I then contacted them again after the big ship fire off the Dutch coast this past July. So far, zero response....


18 posted on 10/30/2023 5:14:11 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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All EV’s should just be towed on a raft behind the ferry, that would solve the problem.


19 posted on 10/30/2023 5:53:49 AM PDT by CapnJack ( )
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To: george76

-Fumes given off by lithium-ion batteries are toxic, gas masks are necessary when fighting the fire.
-A damaged high-voltage battery can create rapid heating of the battery cells.
-If you notice hissing, whistling, or popping, a possible sweet chemical smell, then black “smoke” (nanoparticles of heavy metals, not smoke) then white vapor coming from the high voltage battery assume that thermal runaway has occurred.
-Directly attacking the fire with water hoses and breaking open the battery requires specialist training and equipment.
-Do not attempt this without extensive training and practice.

DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN BALL!


20 posted on 10/30/2023 6:12:05 AM PDT by Yardstick
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