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Posted on 10/25/2023 9:42:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Last June, Ohio became the 23rd state in the nation to adopt a “permitless carry” law, allowing legal gun owners to both keep and bear arms without having to first obtain a government permission slip.
At the time, gun control activists and anti-gun politicians decried the move and declared it would make the state a more dangerous place. State Rep. Allison Russo even claimed that “Republicans have made it crystal clear that they value the approval of the gun lobby more than the lives of Ohioans and the police officers who protect our communities every day.”
With the FBI’s crime statistics for 2022 now publicly available, was Russo right? Did Ohio become a more dangerous place because of permitless carry? Were Republicans really casting their votes because they had no care or concern about the safety of their constituents or those tasked with enforcing the laws they approved at the state capitol?
Nope to all of the above.
Overall violent crimes were down in Ohio and the U.S. in 2022, with Ohio seeing a 7.5% decrease from 2021 and the U.S. reporting a 1.63% decrease.
Last year Ohio and the U.S. both also saw a drop in homicides after increases in 2021 and 2020.
Ohio had 6.1 homicides per 100,000 people last year, compared to 7.5 and 7 in 2021 and 2020, respectively, according data from the FBI. Nationally there were 6.5 homicide per 100,000 in 2020 and 6.8 in 2021 compared to 6.3 in 2022.
Not only did violent crime and homicide rates both decline last year, the drop in violent crime in Ohio far outpaced the national average. The doom-and-gloom predictions of the anti-gunners were flat-out wrong, and Ohio is a safer state today than it was when Gov. Mike DeWine signed SB 215 into law.
We still have a couple of months left in the first full calendar year since permitless carry took effect, and statewide crime stats for 2023 won’t be released for several months after that, but a look at crime analyst Jeff Asher’s Year to Date Murder Comparison dashboard shows continued declines in the homicide rate in many Ohio cities.
Akron, for instance, has seen its murder rate decline by almost 40% through September 30th. Homicides in Cincinnati are down 13% compared to last year, and murders have dropped by 30% in Toledo.
In Cleveland and Columbus it’s a different story. Murders have increased by almost 14% in Cleveland, while the state capitol has seen a 9.6% jump in homicides this year. Anti-gun politicians in those cities have been quick to blame Republican lawmakers and the “gun lobby” for the rise in crime, but the truth is that it’s those cities that are the outlier at the moment; not just in Ohio but across the country.
The vast majority of individuals who are responsible for the state’s homicides, armed robberies, aggravated assaults, carjackings, home invasions, and other violent offenses were already carrying without a permit long before Ohio’s permitless carry law took effect. They don’t care about a misdemeanor gun law prohibiting them from carrying without a license any more than they’re concerned with committing a violent felony.
Anti-gunners were absolutely convinced that permitless carry was going to make Ohio a more dangerous place, but once again we see that more guns doesn’t equate to more crimes. It is possible to protect the Second Amendment rights of responsible citizens while cracking down on violent criminals, and the “more guns, more crime” myth has been dealt another blow.
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I’m so glad we have the right to keep and bear firearms!
Something clueless leftists seem incapable of wrapping their minds around.
I guess it never occurred to them that someone who has the kind of disregard of laws to the point of breaking them in theft, assault, rape, or murder, isn't going to be stopped by gun laws.
Wait — that’s not allowed.
In a more extended time frame, the same thing happened in Florida when concealed carry permits were made readily available on a statewide basis against bitter Democratic opposition. Almost immediately and continuing afterwards, the rates of homicide and violent crime diverged from national trends and decreased significantly as more concealed carry permits were issued. Many hundreds of lives were saved.
For 24yrs maybe? 1992-2016-
Violent crime decreased despite record gun and ammo sales almost every year.
Leftists kept forecasting doom and gloom, were amazed to the contrary but refused to put 2 + 2=4.
This ofc ended with the Soros DAs, defund the police etc...
Last I looked-black lives matter so much 8000 excess black men murdered vs the downward trend to date and counting,
It’ an inherent characteristic of CRIMINALS, they don’t obey any laws.
Just what is it about this fact that prog/lib/idiots can’t seem to understand?
I am wrapping up a 23 state bike trip, currently in Port Charlotte at 9400 miles. Open carried my FN five seven in every state except FL. Some states people looked at me like I was an alien life form. Other states people (even LEOs) shook my hand and thanked me for carrying.
It’ an inherent characteristic of CRIMINALS, they don’t obey any laws.
Just what is it about this fact that prog/lib/idiots can’t seem to understand?
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That first sentence is a real winner because it so succinctly states a reality even “prog/lib/idiots” should be able to comprehend. Leftist ideology really interferes with the normal functioning of their brains doesn’t it?
I am wrapping up a 23 state bike trip, currently in Port Charlotte at 9400 miles. Open carried my FN five seven in every state except FL. Some states people looked at me like I was an alien life form. Other states people (even LEOs) shook my hand and thanked me for carrying.
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Good on you, and you have my thanks as well!
Hoplophobic Karens hardest hit by news that Constitutional Carry by Ohio citizens reduces crime.
Pity them, please. They can’t help themselves.
What I’d like to know is: does the statute apply only to Ohio residents or to travelers in the state as well.
Try to figure out this word salad...
Section 2923.12 | Carrying concealed weapons.
[effective April 4, 2023]
(A) No person shall knowingly carry or have, concealed on the person’s person or concealed ready at hand, any of the following:
(1) A deadly weapon other than a handgun;
(2) A handgun other than a dangerous ordnance;
(3) A dangerous ordnance.
(B) No person who has been issued a concealed handgun license shall do any of the following:
(1) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and is carrying a concealed handgun, before or at the time a law enforcement officer asks if the person is carrying a concealed handgun, knowingly fail to disclose that the person then is carrying a concealed handgun, provided that it is not a violation of this division if the person fails to disclose that fact to an officer during the stop and the person already has notified another officer of that fact during the same stop;
(2) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and is carrying a concealed handgun, knowingly fail to keep the person’s hands in plain sight at any time after any law enforcement officer begins approaching the person while stopped and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the failure is pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by a law enforcement officer;
(3) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose, if the person is carrying a concealed handgun, and if the person is approached by any law enforcement officer while stopped, knowingly remove or attempt to remove the loaded handgun from the holster, pocket, or other place in which the person is carrying it, knowingly grasp or hold the loaded handgun, or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the person’s hands or fingers at any time after the law enforcement officer begins approaching and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the person removes, attempts to remove, grasps, holds, or has contact with the loaded handgun pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by the law enforcement officer;
(4) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and is carrying a concealed handgun, knowingly disregard or fail to comply with any lawful order of any law enforcement officer given while the person is stopped, including, but not limited to, a specific order to the person to keep the person’s hands in plain sight.
(C)(1) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or to a law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry concealed weapons or dangerous ordnance or is authorized to carry handguns and is acting within the scope of the officer’s, agent’s, or employee’s duties;
(b) Any person who is employed in this state, who is authorized to carry concealed weapons or dangerous ordnance or is authorized to carry handguns, and who is subject to and in compliance with the requirements of section 109.801 of the Revised Code, unless the appointing authority of the person has expressly specified that the exemption provided in division (C)(1)(b) of this section does not apply to the person;
(c) A person’s transportation or storage of a firearm, other than a firearm described in divisions (G) to (M) of section 2923.11 of the Revised Code, in a motor vehicle for any lawful purpose if the firearm is not on the actor’s person;
(d) A person’s storage or possession of a firearm, other than a firearm described in divisions (G) to (M) of section 2923.11 of the Revised Code, in the actor’s own home for any lawful purpose.
(2) Division (A)(2) of this section does not apply to any person who has been issued a concealed handgun license that is valid at the time of the alleged carrying or possession of a handgun or who, at the time of the alleged carrying or possession of a handgun, is an active duty member of the armed forces of the United States and is carrying a valid military identification card and documentation of successful completion of firearms training that meets or exceeds the training requirements described in division (G)(1) of section 2923.125 of the Revised Code, unless the person knowingly is in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.
(D) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A)(1) of this section of carrying or having control of a weapon other than a handgun and other than a dangerous ordnance that the actor was not otherwise prohibited by law from having the weapon and that any of the following applies:
(1) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes while the actor was engaged in or was going to or from the actor’s lawful business or occupation, which business or occupation was of a character or was necessarily carried on in a manner or at a time or place as to render the actor particularly susceptible to criminal attack, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed.
(2) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes while the actor was engaged in a lawful activity and had reasonable cause to fear a criminal attack upon the actor, a member of the actor’s family, or the actor’s home, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed.
(3) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for any lawful purpose and while in the actor’s own home.
(E)(1) No person who is charged with a violation of this section shall be required to obtain a concealed handgun license as a condition for the dismissal of the charge.
(2) If a person is convicted of, was convicted of, pleads guilty to, or has pleaded guilty to a violation of division (B)(1) of this section as it existed prior to June 13, 2022, the person may file an application under section 2953.35 of the Revised Code requesting the expungement of the record of conviction.
(F)(1) Whoever violates this section is guilty of carrying concealed weapons. Except as otherwise provided in this division or divisions (F)(2), (6), and (7) of this section, carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (A) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree. Except as otherwise provided in this division or divisions (F)(2), (6), and (7) of this section, if the offender previously has been convicted of a violation of this section or of any offense of violence, if the weapon involved is a firearm that is either loaded or for which the offender has ammunition ready at hand, or if the weapon involved is dangerous ordnance, carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (A) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. Except as otherwise provided in divisions (F)(2) and (6) of this section, if the offense is committed aboard an aircraft, or with purpose to carry a concealed weapon aboard an aircraft, regardless of the weapon involved, carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (A) of this section is a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person shall not be arrested for a violation of division (A)(2) of this section solely because the person does not promptly produce a valid concealed handgun license. If a person is arrested for a violation of division (A)(2) of this section and is convicted of or pleads guilty to the violation, the offender shall be punished as follows:
(a) The offender shall be guilty of a minor misdemeanor if both of the following apply:
(i) Within ten days after the arrest, the offender presents a concealed handgun license, which license was valid at the time of the arrest, to the law enforcement agency that employs the arresting officer.
(ii) At the time of the arrest, the offender was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.
(b) The offender shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be fined five hundred dollars if all of the following apply:
(i) The offender previously had been issued a concealed handgun license, and that license expired within the two years immediately preceding the arrest.
(ii) Within forty-five days after the arrest, the offender presents a concealed handgun license to the law enforcement agency that employed the arresting officer, and the offender waives in writing the offender’s right to a speedy trial on the charge of the violation that is provided in section 2945.71 of the Revised Code.
(iii) At the time of the commission of the offense, the offender was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.
(c) If divisions (F)(2)(a) and (b) and (F)(6) of this section do not apply, the offender shall be punished under division (F)(1) or (7) of this section.
(3) Carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (B)(1) of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree.
(4) Carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (B)(2) or (4) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree or, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (B)(2) or (4) of this section, a felony of the fifth degree. In addition to any other penalty or sanction imposed for a misdemeanor violation of division (B)(2) or (4) of this section, the offender’s concealed handgun license shall be suspended pursuant to division (A)(2) of section 2923.128 of the Revised Code.
(5) Carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (B)(3) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree.
(6) If a person being arrested for a violation of division (A)(2) of this section is an active duty member of the armed forces of the United States and is carrying a valid military identification card and documentation of successful completion of firearms training that meets or exceeds the training requirements described in division (G)(1) of section 2923.125 of the Revised Code, and if at the time of the violation the person was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code, the officer shall not arrest the person for a violation of that division. If the person is not able to promptly produce a valid military identification card and documentation of successful completion of firearms training that meets or exceeds the training requirements described in division (G)(1) of section 2923.125 of the Revised Code and if the person is not in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code, the officer shall issue a citation and the offender shall be assessed a civil penalty of not more than five hundred dollars. The citation shall be automatically dismissed and the civil penalty shall not be assessed if both of the following apply:
(a) Within ten days after the issuance of the citation, the offender presents a valid military identification card and documentation of successful completion of firearms training that meets or exceeds the training requirements described in division (G)(1) of section 2923.125 of the Revised Code, which were both valid at the time of the issuance of the citation to the law enforcement agency that employs the citing officer.
(b) At the time of the citation, the offender was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.
(7) If a person being arrested for a violation of division (A)(2) of this section is knowingly in a place described in division (B)(5) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code and is not authorized to carry a handgun or have a handgun concealed on the person’s person or concealed ready at hand under that division, the penalty shall be as follows:
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this division, if the person produces a valid concealed handgun license within ten days after the arrest and has not previously been convicted or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (A)(2) of this section, the person is guilty of a minor misdemeanor;
(b) Except as otherwise provided in this division, if the person has previously been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (A)(2) of this section, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree;
(c) Except as otherwise provided in this division, if the person has previously been convicted of or pleaded guilty to two violations of division (A)(2) of this section, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree;
(d) Except as otherwise provided in this division, if the person has previously been convicted of or pleaded guilty to three or more violations of division (A)(2) of this section, or convicted of or pleaded guilty to any offense of violence, if the weapon involved is a firearm that is either loaded or for which the offender has ammunition ready at hand, or if the weapon involved is a dangerous ordnance, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree.
(G) If a law enforcement officer stops a person to question the person regarding a possible violation of this section, for a traffic stop, or for any other law enforcement purpose, if the person surrenders a firearm to the officer, either voluntarily or pursuant to a request or demand of the officer, and if the officer does not charge the person with a violation of this section or arrest the person for any offense, the person is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm, and the firearm is not contraband, the officer shall return the firearm to the person at the termination of the stop. If a court orders a law enforcement officer to return a firearm to a person pursuant to the requirement set forth in this division, division (B) of section 2923.163 of the Revised Code applies.
(H) For purposes of this section, “deadly weapon” or “weapon” does not include any knife, razor, or cutting instrument if the instrument was not used as a weapon.
Maybe the answer here?
Ways to Carry a Concealed Weapon in Ohio
Primarily[?], *any eligible Ohioan* can constitutionally carry a concealed handgun without a permit. However, the law also preserves the concealed carry licensing program, which includes a photo ID card.
But, since any Ohio resident (age 21 or older) can carry a concealed weapon without a permit if they have not been prohibited, concealed carry permits are no longer required.
MSLSD will surely be all over this story!
Yes, quite a bit of word salad. My understanding is the permitless carry applies to Ohio residents only. Residents can still get a license, but is not needed inside the state. License is used outside Ohio in states that recognizes reciprocity with Ohio. I doubt permitless carry applies to out of state residents.
I’m no lawyer and may be 100% wrong on my opinion.
Thanks :)
Laws are for people who respect law and order, for those who don’t. laws define the repercussions for being caught breaking laws. most if not all criminals know the repercussions of what they are about to do, but don’t care at least not enough for them to stop.
Crimes of passion may be a slightly different category, one that I would imagine is a very small percentage of all crimes.
Has there ever been a criminal who was about to commit a “crime” and stopped because it was illegal? Not likely
Read once something to the effect of the US is high in murder rate compared to the world, remove 3 counties (will let you guess) and US is near the bottom
Wne does being wrong 100% of the time change a liberal’s mind?
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