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Battle for Avdiivka could decide the Ukraine war
asiatimes.com ^ | October 19, 2023 | by Stephen Bryen

Posted on 10/22/2023 2:50:51 PM PDT by elpadre

While the world is focused on Israel and the Gaza war, the war in Ukraine grinds on.

Russian leader Vladimir Putin gave a brief press conference during his China trip and from that we can conclude the following: firstly that the Russians are concerned about the use of the US ATACMS missile against Russian forces, and secondly that the Russians are worried about the arrival, probably around January, although no one is certain, of F-16 fighter aircraft.

The Russians understand that the F-16s will challenge Russian air superiority, at least to a degree, and complicate their operations. Meanwhile, on the ground, the Russians are making some headway against Avdiivka but the manpower and hardware cost is very high.

In effect, the war has changed dimensionally. The Russians proved that its army could repel a Ukrainian offensive focused in the Zaphorize direction and inflict heavy casualties on Ukraine.

However, just now that the Russians have started going on the offensive attacking strategic cities like Avdiivka, it is not so easy.

The same points about the land and air battle in Ukraine made by Putin were also made by his Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu in a conference with Russian army, air force and navy top brass.

The MGM-140 is a tactical ballistic missile with a range of around 300 kilometers. The missiles were secretly shipped to Ukraine and first used against a large depot and airfield in Berdyansk.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: avdiivka; berdyansk; gaza; hamas; israel; sergeyshoigu; stephenbryen; ukraine
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To: freeandfreezing

Re: 19 - this picture shows no reference points to the horizon or a building. It’s difficult to judge its authenticity without such reference points.


21 posted on 10/22/2023 6:08:04 PM PDT by Fury
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To: freeandfreezing

Those are the lucky ones. Some do have access to materials they need - but none have enough to change the course of the war. The average conscript, despite age or debility, is not given enough to protect themselves from Russia’s planes etc. They are sent to attack lines and replaced like toilet paper as they die - they deserve better

The Ukraine is losing, has lost, and will keep fighting until there’s no way for them to fake it anymore.


22 posted on 10/22/2023 7:04:50 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: SeeSharp

What airfield these F-16s gonna for from?3


23 posted on 10/22/2023 7:30:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: BabaOreally

I should have been more specific. Russia doesn’t want to take/fight Odessa, but analysts have said for awhile that when the Ukraine (leadership, resistance/fighting) falls, Russia will take Odessa in the negotiations.


24 posted on 10/22/2023 7:38:16 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

“Look at a map - Russia will get Odessa when the fighting stops because the Ukraine has no more Ukrainian blood to waste.”

Can American Democrats and Neocons let that happen? How deep will we wade to not lose?

If it does, we can expect the NYT and Washington Post to declare it a huge victory for America.


25 posted on 10/22/2023 8:28:00 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Battle for Avdiivka could decide the Ukraine war , ModelBreaker wrote:

“Look at a map - Russia will get Odessa when the fighting stops because the Ukraine has no more Ukrainian blood to waste.”

Can American Democrats and Neocons let that happen? How deep will we wade to not lose?

If it does, we can expect the NYT and Washington Post to declare it a huge victory for America.

When I intially wrote that post I said in it that America would send its own soldiers because Biden and Co. simply won't be exposed. They've wanted WWIII for some time now, and Zelensky tried to help first by calling for first strikes on Russia and then by repeatedly lying about the missile he said was from Russia but came from Ukraine and landed in Poland. THAT would have got him the war they wanted.

But now the globalists are working to get WWIII started in Israel. THe most horrific slaughter of babies etc. - what country would not be justified to fight enemies who attack and kill their babies. And Biden, who likes to ignore Israel is now talking about helping Israel. So I think Biden and other Globalists want the attention off Ukraine while they really get down and dirty there with false flags, possibly nuclear, to frame Russia and protect Biden Family Crime central (DNC, too)

I fear it is American troops to Israel (well - what is Israel supposed to do, put a limit on number of their babies that can be killed per month or? The attack on Israel was likely designed by our CIA and other rogue intel to be unspeakably awful, to get fighting started. I believe Hamas wants to attack us in the US to make sure the war gets started and supported.

SO with formal fighting in the spotlight in Israel, then the globalists can waste all availabl human lives in the Ukraine, with false flag nuke plants etc. to get what they want.

I think the NYT and WAPO will portray conservatives as monsters who could have prevented the worst of the intel agency wars in Ukraine but we were 'too cheap' to continue funding the Deep State/DNC/Bidens/Pelosis/Schumers etc. as we were told to do.

I just watched a snippet of Victor Davis Hanson (favorite of mine). I haven't heard any other analyst say what he has - that Russia will remove people from dwellings east of the river (Dnipo) and 'flatten' the region into a wilderness so tha no one can live there. Victor always seemed cautious to me, but his comment seems severe. He agrees with others I've heard that Putin didn't realize how far the globalists would 'wade in' (A long time ago, America surpassed in its funding of the Ukraine, all other aid given to any other country in history even Afghanistan). That's not even counting all the black ops money Congress doesn't track, and that 6 Billion dollar 'accounting error' the Pentagon 'found.' America is the Ukraine's 'sugar daddy', emptying our treasury to pay Ukraine's government pensions and salaries etc. The Ukraine is now a welfare state - if only Biden liked Hawaii or Ohio - well I mean if only he had a private interest in those areas, he would have really helped them when disaster struck those Americans.


26 posted on 10/22/2023 9:21:29 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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After months of propaganda storms from Ukrainian advocates, there’s no conscience or restraint - it’s ‘pedal-to-the-metal’ lies to keep the money flowing. The title of this article could have said, “Just keep giving us money” and I would have known what it was about.


27 posted on 10/22/2023 9:23:46 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

“After months of propaganda storms from Ukrainian advocates, there’s no conscience or restraint - it’s ‘pedal-to-the-metal’ lies to keep the money flowing. The title of this article could have said, “Just keep giving us money” and I would have known what it was about.”

This is the cheap part. You’ll see when we get stuck with the rebuilding costs.


28 posted on 10/23/2023 2:25:07 AM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: elpadre

The Double of Russian leader Vladimir Putin gave a brief press conference during his China trip


29 posted on 10/23/2023 3:26:14 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Farmerbob
They are already using trucks which are identical copies of Henry Ford's Model AA
31 posted on 10/23/2023 3:33:47 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SeeSharp

If they get the upgraded radar it will matter a lot


Yes that is the version they are getting - upgraded to latest NATO standards.


32 posted on 10/23/2023 3:35:55 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Firehath

My Gawd Biden is so comprised and UKRAINE is blackmailing him and top of both parties.

We have a qualative edge and I believe Biden is going to use our 6th Gen F-XX fighter bombers in unmanned or manned platform. I don’t put a balistic HE missile strick on Iran, and Lebanon/Syria in conjunction with a 45 day preplanned Air surge.

Now if our elites were not so corrupt and comprised:

YES, THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN USED TO WORK FOR GEORGE SOROS*

YES, CALIF GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM IS NANCY PELOSI’S NEPHEW
* YES, ADAM SHIFF’S SISTER IS MARRIED TO ONE OF GEORGE SOROS’ SONS.
* YES, JOHN KERRY’S DAUGHTER IS MARRIED TO A MULLAH’S SON IN IRAN.
* YES, HILLARY’S DAUGHTER CHELSEA IS MARRIED TO GEORGE SOROS’ NEPHEW.

*YES, ABC NEWS EXECUTIVE PRODUCER IAN CAMERON IS MARRIED TO SUSAN RICE, OBAMA’S FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER.

* YES, CBS PRESIDENT DAVID RHODES IS THE BROTHER OF BEN RHODES, OBAMA’S DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER FOR STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS.
* YES, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT CLAIRE SHIPMAN IS MARRIED TO JAY CARNEY, FORMER OBAMA WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY.
* YES, ABC NEWS AND UNIVISION REPORTER MATTHEW JAFFE IS MARRIED TO KATIE HOGAN, OBAMA’S FORMER DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY

* YES, ABC PRESIDENT BEN SHERWOOD IS THE BROTHER OF ELIZABETH SHERWOOD, OBAMA’S FORMER SPECIAL ADVISER.
* YES, CNN VP VIRGINIA MOSELEY IS MARRIED TO TOM NIDES, FORMER HILLARY CLINTON’S DEPUTY SECRETARY.

THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A “STACKED DECK”. IF YOU HAD A HUNCH THE NEWS MEDIA WAS SOMEWHAT RIGGED AND YOU COULDN’T PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT, THIS MIGHT HELP YOU SOLVE THE PUZZLE.

Now you know why no one is investigated. They all have their hands in the cookie jar! You might remember James Comey who investigated the Clinton email scandal and the Clinton Foundation, and made the final decision to not recommend prosecution by the DOJ.

It turns out that the Clinton Foundation was audited by the law firm DLA Piper. One of the executives there was in charge of the Clinton Foundation audit.

Who was it? Peter Comey, James Comey’s brother. Peter Comey held an executive position with the Washington law firm that did the audit of the Clinton foundation in 2015.Peter Comey was officially DLA Piper “Senior Director of Real Estate Operations for the Americas”, in 2015 when the Clinton Foundation scandals first broke and Hillary was preparing her Presidential campaign.Not only was DLA Piper, the firm where Comey’s brother worked involved in the audit of the Clinton Foundation, but according to the foundation’s donor records, DLA Piper has given between $50 - 100k to the Foundation. It gets even cozier. DLA Piper executive Douglas Emhoff is taking an extended leave of absence from the firm. Who is Douglas Emhoff?
He is the husband of KAMALA HARRIS! Just a coincidence?Amazing if it is. You can’t make this stuff up! Another example of the DC swamp.”And it only gets worse. This “Family Tree” will make your head spin.
THE SWAMP IS DEEP!!

Dominion (voting machine provider) serves 40% of the US market. It is in 30 states - - The state of Texas rejected the machines.

- Admiral Peter Neffenger is on Biden’s transition team.
- Neffenger was the President of the board of Smartmatic
- Smartmatic (another voting machine supplier) entered into an agreement with Dominion in 2009
Smartmatic counted votes in Venezuela

- Smartmatic is connected to Philippine voter fraud
Smartmatic is run by Lord Mark Malloch Brown who works for George Soros (he and Brown are life-long friends).
- Brown chairs the Boards of a number of non-profit boards including the Open Society Foundation,
- Brown chairs the Centre for Global Development.
- Open society of course is owned by George Soros
- Smartmatic partnered with DLA Piper Global
- Douglas C. Emhoff works at DLA Piper Global
- Douglass C. Emhoff is Kamala Harris’s husband
>-Guess who owns Dominion? - -Blum Capital Partners, L.P.
- Guess who is on the board for the company? — Richard C. Blum.
- Richard C. Blum is Dianne Feinstein’s husband.
- Nancy Pelosi’s husband is also a major investor
- An aide to Nancy Pelosi, Nadeam Elshami, was hired by Dominion Voting Systems
And it goes on & ON!!- Dominion Voting Systems is listed on the Clinton Foundation website.- Dominion Voting is listed as a $25,000 -$50,000 donor to the Clinton Foundation in 2014 by The Washington Post- Georgia Governor Kemp used Dominion Voting after Texas and Florida rejected them- Dominion has a lobbyist named Jared Thomas

- Jared Thomas was Governor Brian Kemp’s chief of staff and press secretary from 2012 to 2015
- You must remember the Feinstein-Kavanaugh-Soros connections to understand this next information- Debra Katz (Christine Ford’s lawyer) worked for George-Soros at the Open Society Foundation.
- Debra Katz (Christine Ford’s lawyer) also worked at Project on Government Oversight (POGO).- POGO is funded by Soros’s Open Society Foundation.- POGO is the co-signer of the letter Diane Feinstein presented against Kavanaugh’s nomination.- Kamala Harris did not prosecute OneWest Bank for their fraud when she had the authority- Soros owned OneWest Bank.

- Now you know why a woman who placed 7th in own her State when running for President is now our Vice President...


33 posted on 10/23/2023 9:47:24 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: elpadre

The Ukrainians do not need to take territory. They just need to destroy Russia’s army.


34 posted on 10/23/2023 10:23:44 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Jumper

Alamogirl2 / jumper

Good thing

You’ve had the time - sense

To live a normal productive life


35 posted on 10/23/2023 11:12:42 AM PDT by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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