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To: Blood of Tyrants; cableguymn; cba123

Folks, I think you are all missing the major issue, and that is the generation of electricity and associated infrastructure to get the electricity to charging stations, either in homes or in charging stations.

The environmentalists (basically the entire Left/Democrat Party) do NOT want to increase energy production.

Period. End of sentence.

Can we all agree that the only thing acceptable to them is wind or solar power, and that NEITHER of those things is even remotely, on the same planet, capable of supplying what is needed?

Can we agree on that to start off? I am willing to debate anyone who thinks differently on that.

Next, can we agree they WILL NOT allow nuclear plants to be built, even with the EV wet dream driving them from behind? Can we agree on that?

Can we also agree that they are fully obstructing the construction of coal, oil, and gas powered power generation plants (fully to the point of demonization) and that nowhere NEAR the amount needed are being planned, much less approved? If someone wants to argue that, I am willing to engage on that.

Can we ALSO agree that the exploration for and exploitation of Oil, Gas, and Coal are being actively discouraged (also to the point of demonization) to the point of irrationality, to the point that even if we COULD get these generation plants approved and built, getting the oil, gas and coal to them is going to be problematic?

If anyone wants to take issue with these items above, please proceed. I am willing to engage and talk it out.

If not, there are only two choices: First, that there will be a shortcoming of energy to charge these EVs, and secondly, that people will be forced to drive less and use less power in general, and electricity in particular.

Going down this road at this time is insanity. And that insanity has nothing to do with “big oil” ruling things, or the auto industry refusing to go down that road to save jobs.

It is Leftist insanity, and going down that road is a road to ruin.


12 posted on 10/17/2023 7:09:29 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: rlmorel
"Next, can we agree they WILL NOT allow nuclear plants to be built, even with the EV wet dream driving them from behind? Can we agree on that?"

Nope, can't agree with that. Small modular nuclear fission reactors are FINALLY breaking the various logjams that have limited nuclear, especially the molten-salt thorium reactor by Copenhagen Atomics. Dow Chemical is planning small modular gas-cooled reactors for one of their Texas production facilities to provide electricity and process heat.

15 posted on 10/17/2023 7:19:21 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (NRA Life Member)
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By the way, please do not take these points as any kind of attack on any of you or your beliefs/desires.

It is a statement of reality as I see it.

I cannot express how much I disagree with the sentiment that pushing down this road without developments in HAND rather than “prospective developments” is foolish and outright irrational.

The analogy people like to use is the development of cars and the development of aviation, but there is a key difference.

People who didn’t want to use cars or found them unsuitable could keep using horses, and nobody was forcing them to give them up, so car development could proceed at its own pace without a major disruption.

Same for aviation. The development of aviation was completely independent from the current modes of transportation. They didn’t demand that trains, cars, horses, or ships be banned, and activity could proceed.

But in this case, EVs are being forced on us without the development occuring, and the suppression of exploration, exploitation, and consuming of those fuels in powerplants to make electricity. They are not allowing development to occur in tandem without impeding the currrent modes of transportation, and are literally putting the cart before the horse.


18 posted on 10/17/2023 7:44:52 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: rlmorel

Leftists wish to murder 90% of earth s population. They say so. Take them at their word.


30 posted on 10/17/2023 10:33:00 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: rlmorel

Exactly. Leftists think that electric cars can be recharged from a near dead battery on house current overnight and that the existing electrical infrastructure will handle roughly twice the capacity without adding any realistic sources.


36 posted on 10/17/2023 1:40:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants ( "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."- Mark Twain)
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