A new form of warfare’: how Ukraine reclaimed the Black Sea from Russian forces

Guardian UK ^ | 10/5/2023 | Luke Harding

[marcusmaximus]

[fieldmarshaldj]

Communist propaganda.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Uke propaganda, to support the new Fall Fundraiser

[marcusmaximus]

[Right_Wing_Madman]

On director’s cue, Black Sea narratives coming in hot and heavy now. Like the Bakhmut encirclement and the great breakthrough of the Surovikin line, we’ll hear nothing more about it in two weeks.

[CapandBall]

A big bowl of Hopium™️ for the warmongers as Ukraine bleeds out.

*pssst… land wars aren’t won at sea*

[fieldmarshaldj]

That Communist bilge from the Guardian is allowed on FR should earn an instant ZOT for the trolls posting it.

[marcusmaximus]

Putin is a coward for fleeing Sevastopol.

[Spktyr]

The Black Sea is about as relevant to the war in Ukraine as the Gulf of Thailand was to winning the Vietnam War, I.E., not at all.

[canuck_conservative]

Putin’s fanny-boys extremely upset

LOL

[marcusmaximus]

Putin’s Black Sea fleet was a feint.

[Bookshelf]

I should think that instructors at Annapolis are watching this event with a certain amount of trepidation. Sea going vessels are targets, easy to follow, easy to attack. Subs, not so much. There has to be much re-thinking in how to protect a fleet. If one can actually utilize a fleet effectively.
It seems more and more likely that twenty years from now most war will be fought by robots and surface ships will be obsolete.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

I don’t see anyone upset.

It’s another zeeper yawn

[Right_Wing_Madman]

It seems more and more likely that twenty years from now most war will be fought by robots and surface ships will be obsolete.

Protection for surface ships was a big issue for both the US and Japanese navies in the 1940s. Despite changes in technology, countries will still have a need to project sea power, or else someone else will conquer that sea. See Tunisia's invasion of Italian islands in the Mediterranean Sea as a current example.

[Spktyr]

Not specific to him. The former Soviet, now Russian Black Sea fleet was just there to keep NATO honest; the Slava class cruisers would not really have been a terribly viable warship class anywhere else, for example. It was a fleet designed to do one thing - have a HUGE alpha strike capability to sink a NATO task force trying to thread their way in through the Bosphorus Strait, and then deal with the occasional intrepid scouting craft. The strait is less than half a mile wide at some points and it’s a fatal funnel for major surface combatants and transports.

The Black Sea Fleet, no matter who runs it, has never been considered to be a major aggressive force and because of the local geography it was always going to be a side show in any war. Any serious invasion was going to be via land anyway; so the Russians never really bulked up the force - nor was there ever a good reason to.

[canuck_conservative]

I don’t see anyone upset

you're also gullible enough to fall for the Russian lies and propaganda

[Spktyr]

The Black Sea is kind of a special case, though. Naval wars in the Black Sea are not unlike the naval combat on the Great Lakes during the War of 1812 - not terribly conclusive and not terribly relevant to the rest of the war.

[Dr. Franklin]

Driven from Sevastopol, Russia has reportedly signed a deal for a new naval base. It will be located in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia, further along the Black Sea coast. On Thursday the region’s leader, Aslan Bzhania, said the permanent facility would be built in the “near future”.

This could expand the war to Georgia.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

How does it feel to have a new House Speaker who’s gonna pull the plug on Ukraine?
🤣🤣🤣