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A new form of warfare’: how Ukraine reclaimed the Black Sea from Russian forces
Guardian UK ^ | 10/5/2023 | Luke Harding

Posted on 10/05/2023 6:30:02 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

It was a moment of humiliation for Moscow. The headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea fleet – a building of elegant white columns overlooking the Crimean port of Sevastopol – was ablaze. Smoke billowed into a blue sky. First one, and then a second Storm Shadow missile slammed into its roof. Video captured the impact: a precise, deadly, thunderous strike.

The attack on 22 September killed 34 officers, including Viktor Sokolov, the fleet’s commander, according to Ukraine. Russia denied this, releasing footage of Sokolov, suggesting he was still alive. Whatever the truth of the admiral’s fate, the blow deep into enemy territory was of major significance. It was further proof that Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion, 19 months on, had not gone to plan.

On land, Kyiv’s counteroffensive has made slow progress. Ukrainian troops have run into formidable Russian obstacles. But on water, it is a success story. Largely unnoticed, Ukraine has reclaimed the Black Sea at least in part, by turning it into a no-go zone for Russia’s bristling warships – no mean feat given that Ukraine has no navy to speak of, and a handful of old jets.

In Sevastopol, a naval exodus has occurred. Two frigates and three attack submarines have left port and moved east to the safer Russian harbour of Novorossiysk, according to satellite data. Five large landing ships, a patrol boat, and small missile vessels have joined them there. A cluster of other boats have sailed from Sevastopol to Feodosia, a port on Crimea’s eastern side.

Driven from Sevastopol, Russia has reportedly signed a deal for a new naval base. It will be located in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia, further along the Black Sea coast. On Thursday the region’s leader, Aslan Bzhania, said the permanent facility would be built in the “near future”.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abkhazia; angryrussianstooges; blacksea; blackseafleet; botchedinvasion; bzhania; crimea; feodosia; globalistpropaganda; harbor; lukeharding; lukehardon; novorossiysk; putin; russia; sevastopol
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1 posted on 10/05/2023 6:30:02 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Communist propaganda.


2 posted on 10/05/2023 6:31:12 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: marcusmaximus

Uke propaganda, to support the new Fall Fundraiser


3 posted on 10/05/2023 6:32:10 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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4 posted on 10/05/2023 6:36:19 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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On director’s cue, Black Sea narratives coming in hot and heavy now. Like the Bakhmut encirclement and the great breakthrough of the Surovikin line, we’ll hear nothing more about it in two weeks.


5 posted on 10/05/2023 6:38:56 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

A big bowl of Hopium™️ for the warmongers as Ukraine bleeds out.

*pssst… land wars aren’t won at sea*


6 posted on 10/05/2023 6:39:30 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

That Communist bilge from the Guardian is allowed on FR should earn an instant ZOT for the trolls posting it.


7 posted on 10/05/2023 6:39:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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Putin is a coward for fleeing Sevastopol.


8 posted on 10/05/2023 6:43:01 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

The Black Sea is about as relevant to the war in Ukraine as the Gulf of Thailand was to winning the Vietnam War, I.E., not at all.


9 posted on 10/05/2023 6:43:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; CapandBall; Right_Wing_Madman; aMorePerfectUnion

Putin’s fanny-boys extremely upset

LOL


10 posted on 10/05/2023 6:44:55 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: Spktyr

Putin’s Black Sea fleet was a feint.


11 posted on 10/05/2023 6:46:06 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

I should think that instructors at Annapolis are watching this event with a certain amount of trepidation. Sea going vessels are targets, easy to follow, easy to attack. Subs, not so much. There has to be much re-thinking in how to protect a fleet. If one can actually utilize a fleet effectively.
It seems more and more likely that twenty years from now most war will be fought by robots and surface ships will be obsolete.


12 posted on 10/05/2023 6:51:37 PM PDT by Bookshelf
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I don’t see anyone upset.

It’s another zeeper yawn


13 posted on 10/05/2023 6:57:55 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: Bookshelf
It seems more and more likely that twenty years from now most war will be fought by robots and surface ships will be obsolete.

Protection for surface ships was a big issue for both the US and Japanese navies in the 1940s. Despite changes in technology, countries will still have a need to project sea power, or else someone else will conquer that sea. See Tunisia's invasion of Italian islands in the Mediterranean Sea as a current example.

14 posted on 10/05/2023 7:02:30 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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Not specific to him. The former Soviet, now Russian Black Sea fleet was just there to keep NATO honest; the Slava class cruisers would not really have been a terribly viable warship class anywhere else, for example. It was a fleet designed to do one thing - have a HUGE alpha strike capability to sink a NATO task force trying to thread their way in through the Bosphorus Strait, and then deal with the occasional intrepid scouting craft. The strait is less than half a mile wide at some points and it’s a fatal funnel for major surface combatants and transports.

The Black Sea Fleet, no matter who runs it, has never been considered to be a major aggressive force and because of the local geography it was always going to be a side show in any war. Any serious invasion was going to be via land anyway; so the Russians never really bulked up the force - nor was there ever a good reason to.


15 posted on 10/05/2023 7:05:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I don’t see anyone upset

you're also gullible enough to fall for the Russian lies and propaganda


16 posted on 10/05/2023 7:06:18 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: Bookshelf

The Black Sea is kind of a special case, though. Naval wars in the Black Sea are not unlike the naval combat on the Great Lakes during the War of 1812 - not terribly conclusive and not terribly relevant to the rest of the war.


17 posted on 10/05/2023 7:06:53 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Driven from Sevastopol, Russia has reportedly signed a deal for a new naval base. It will be located in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia, further along the Black Sea coast. On Thursday the region’s leader, Aslan Bzhania, said the permanent facility would be built in the “near future”.

This could expand the war to Georgia.
18 posted on 10/05/2023 7:06:54 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


19 posted on 10/05/2023 7:09:16 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (NO WHITE GUILT - ABSOLUTELY NONE)
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How does it feel to have a new House Speaker who’s gonna pull the plug on Ukraine?
🤣🤣🤣


20 posted on 10/05/2023 7:10:40 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (NO WHITE GUILT - ABSOLUTELY NONE)
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