Posted on 09/28/2023 7:30:06 PM PDT by Drew68
For reasons mysterious to the rational human mind, Fox News and the Republican National Committee decided to subject Americans to the most bizarre public spectacle in recent memory. It was stupid. It was strange. It was the second Republican presidential primary debate, which began with British-American Stuart Varney having a seizure while attempting to introduce his Univision cohost Ilia Calderón and concluded with Dana Perino asking the contestants who should be “voted off the island.”
“Leading the charge, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis dismissed the question outright,” The Independent reported. “I’m not going to do that, with all due respect, we’re here, we’re happy to debate, I think that that’s disrespectful to my fellow competitors,” he said.
It was a strong moment for DeSantis in a night otherwise filled with buffoonery, enabled by inept moderators who seemed to have it out for him and fueled by obnoxious, often shrill candidates. Yet as absurd as the evening was, it also marked the first time DeSantis took a more aggressive approach toward tackling the GOP frontrunner, former President Donald Trump. It was a good start, and the governor will have to do a lot more of it over the next few months.
But first, it’s worth noting how bad a night The Donald had.
The former president had intended to join striking United Auto Workers in Michigan on the picket line in an attempt to keep alive his populist myth. However, as soon as he caught wind of the planned visit, the head of the union denounced Trump as a fraud with an imaginary record of achievements for workers. So instead of hitting the picket line, Trump slinked to a non-unionized auto parts supplier, where his team reportedly distributed union signs to random people.
Trump’s team presented the event on social media as if Trump was speaking to a large crowd filled with union workers. In reality, it was a Potemkin village of populism that failed to draw the desired viewership.
Newsweek reported that the debate, broadcasted on the GOP’s official Rumble channel, received 1.25 million views versus the 522,000 Trump’s speech attracted, which was shared on his official channel. Trump’s channel has 2 million followers; the GOP has just over 46,000 followers.
Meanwhile, at the debate, DeSantis hammered the absentee former president. In the lead-up to the event, DeSantis swiped at Trump during an interview with Laura Ingraham on Fox News for a number of failures, including his failure to build the wall.
He kept up his criticisms at the debate.
Trump, he said, “should be on this stage tonight. He owes it to you to defend his record, where they added $7.8 trillion to the debt that set the stage for the inflation that we have now.”
He also hit Trump for throwing the pro-life crowd under the bus.
After the 2022 midterm elections, which saw several losses by awful Trump-endorsed candidates, Trump blamed the disappointing results on pro-life Republicans. Later, in an interview with The National Pulse, Trump suggested that pro-life activists are grifters. “Everybody’s raising money all the time—I don’t know, maybe it’s some kind of business. I don’t know what’s going on,” he said.
Those comments were deeply ironic from a man who allegedly inflated his wealth by billions of dollars to scam banks before ripping off Republican voters for hundreds of millions. DeSantis made it a point to remind the audience he shouldn’t be let off the hook for that.
Trump, he said, “should be here explaining his comments, to try to say that pro-life protections are somehow a terrible thing. I want him to look into the eyes and tell people who have been fighting this fight for a long time.”
DeSantis continued that line of attack after the debate, mocking the former president for refusing to face him.
“He’s had a lot to say about me on social media, really since 2022 right before the midterm election,” DeSantis said of Trump. “It’s one thing to do it behind a keyboard, step up on stage and do it to my face. I’m ready for it.” He even suggested Trump is afraid of going toe-to-toe after losing the first debate to then-candidate Joe Biden in 2020.
Nearly 1 in 3 potential GOP primary voters watched the event, with most of them awarding the first place to DeSantis, according to a 538/Washington Post/Ipsos poll.
Some swiftly dismissed the results, insisting that it would not do much to change the overall race. Trump himself was apparently more concerned. He attacked the Republican National Committee afterward, demanding Republicans immediately “stop the debates.” That also follows polling showing most Iowa and New Hampshire voters aren’t sold on Trump and are still looking elsewhere.
Trump’s comments, state polling, and disastrous efforts at counterprogramming suggest people might be missing the real takeaway: DeSantis took some of his most direct jabs at Trump and walked away looking good.
He did it by merely forcefully reciting the facts about Trump’s record. And if DeSantis wants to chip away at Trump’s support, it seems like that’s what he will have to do for the next few months: expose Trump as a fraud and a failure by attacking him based on his actual record. In particular on immigration and economic issues, where Trump seems strongest.
But that strength is as illusory as the union event in Michigan, the border wall Trump promised to build, and the auto assembly plants he vowed to bring back to America. Most Republicans, moreover, have never been exposed to Trump’s real record because conservative media has coddled him. Last night suggested there’s an appetite for the hard truth.
He’s his own enemy. It’s so frustrating to see.
Exactly
>> every slobbering hagiography
Can’t help but notice that you’re fairly adept at finding and posting slobbering DeDumazz hagiographies.
Those are gonna become more and more rare as President Trump continues to humiliate ronny boy.
>> Claiming that inflation began During President Trump’s tenure is disingenuous.
You’re being kind. Their claim is a flat-out LIE.
>> According to the Floriduh Standard, Trump should go ahead and throw in the towel.
President Trump throws back his head and laughs heartily. :-)
There’s something clearly not right. Either he is so arrogant and self absorbed he doesn’t realize how his own actions are completely detrimental to himself, with regard to the obvious and simple rules that govern us all, or, it’s all just kabuki theater, designed to entertain and mislead millions of people into believing that he is somehow a deity, that no rules apply to.
No rational person would behave the way he does, and either he will crash burn into a smoking hole of unprecedented proportions, or he is part of an elite plan to deceive everyone and stab us in the back in the end. That is my opinion, so either way, I see him as extremely untrustworthy at this point. Between allowing trannies in Miss Universe, wanting to make Bill Gates the Chief Scientist of the White House, and indicating Putin and Kim Yung Un should be our benchmarks for great leaders, etc, this guy in no way represents me, or what he claims to.
What is your source for Trumps opinion of his base? I’m directing this to the last paragraph in your post. Or is this your opinion? Thanks.
Cult like behavior? Ok. I see the name calling and or insinuations (in your post) are alive and well on the GOPe side. The elites must be pleased.
He needed the fake union people because actual union members are not for him. It is not his fault.
Ah, but you must recognize that Ronna McDaniel was another of Trump’s phenomenal picks. Calling his pick “an absolute moron and a complete failure” is really a criticism of Trump. Better watch out the Always Trump folks with not like that.
DeSantis has done (as Congressman) to reign in the weaponization of the Federal Government.
Last night you said you liked his speech until he bashed DeSantis. Trump's speech was pretty good since he spelled out how the “all EV” Biden mandate would decimate Michigan's economy.
Ah, I did like his speech last night, except towards the end when he reverted to name calling. I said that, stand by that. The setting—non-union company, small crowd, and paid fake union folks—undermined his credibility. It doesn’t change that I liked his speech on EV, on auto industry, on energy, etc. I did.
Freest State, thanks to a super majority in both houses. If not for that DeSantis would have never been heard of.
Ron is receiving bad advice.
Didn’t Steve Cortez leave Bannon war room to work on the De Santis campaign...?
How’s that working out ..?
I watched recorded clips.
It looked like a Clown Show.
Meanwhile, in the same universe as this is being "reported" from, a dilapidated wooden rowboat with Carl Rove and Bill Kristol at the helm just smashed into and sunk the Battleship Missouri. . .
Meanwhile, in Japan, Godzilla was killed by an ant.
Prepare yourself to vote for DJ Trump or the communist. Those ARE your choices.
Read what he called me. Of course, you conveniently didn’t catch that. I’m like trump. If you call me a name, I’ll return.
There was nothing convenient to my post at all. No I didn’t see what you were called. It all needs to just stop. No one is a cultist or whatever you were called. Ok?! People need to respect the rights of other conservatives to have different opinions. Argue sure! Fight ideas and views yes!!! But resort to making things ugly and personal?? No one deserves that unless you are 13 and in a Jr high school locker room!
My point has and remains this isn’t a Trump DeSantis fight. The GOP elites who control the party want division and infighting. This in their view hurts Trump, and the only reason they want Trump gone is because he threatens their gravy train, unlimited war and shared Uni Party power. They rub their hands in glee when their lackies report back threads on SM like this one.
I’m not a member of the GOP and glad of my independence. Hopefully, eventually, the rank and file membership will get angry enough to actually clean out their party elites!!!
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