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This pleasurable read should be taken with a grain of salt until we have another source.
1 posted on 09/24/2023 9:26:17 AM PDT by Mariner
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>>“The two villages that the Ukrainian army recently claimed as captured are so tiny that they could fit between two Burma-Shave signs,” the source said.

Um, no one under 70 is going to understand this reference


2 posted on 09/24/2023 9:32:20 AM PDT by struggle
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Someone should tell the commies on that sub. Because that didn’t look like winning to me.


3 posted on 09/24/2023 9:32:42 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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The sacrifice of the Ukrainians and their nation, with no possible hope of a good outcome, simply to cause as much trouble for Russia as possible, will go down as the most shameful foreign policy event in the history of the United States.


4 posted on 09/24/2023 9:32:54 AM PDT by BusterDog
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IBTAN


5 posted on 09/24/2023 9:33:04 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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The fat lady hasn’t sung just quite yet.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IrhmqwHpxBU


7 posted on 09/24/2023 9:38:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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> “The war is over. Russia has won,” a senior U.S. intel official reportedly told Hersh. <

Hersh is one of the very few true investigative journalists left in this country. And he’s plenty old enough to understand that our intel folks specialize in lying. They will lie at news conferences. And they will lie at back-alley meetings.

So who really is winning that war? I don’t know. But I do know we should be completely out of it. It’s Europe’s problem, not ours.


8 posted on 09/24/2023 9:38:54 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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“taken with a grain of salt” - Agreed, just about everything regarding this war is propaganda.

A simple fact is lies (as in outright lies, half truths and made up news stories) is done to obscure the truth. Those that obstruct the truth are generally evil people. The truth is being withheld from all sides, thus just about everyone involved in the war have something to hide.

Where are the embedded reporters giving first hand accounts and videos of the war? That unto itself tell a lot.

The only obvious truth is Ukes are dying by the thousands and the US tax payers are being bilked by the billions.

I pray this article is fact based and the war is over.


10 posted on 09/24/2023 9:40:26 AM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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And almost every thinking person knows this. Basic sense tells you there are no more bodies in Ukraine to fight. We have killed most of the able-bodied men who haven’t yet escaped. Most of the women left long ago. Functionally, there really is no Ukraine left outside of some ex-pat cheerleaders.


12 posted on 09/24/2023 9:42:25 AM PDT by Obadiah
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Excellent post and news, thanks.


19 posted on 09/24/2023 9:53:13 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore

There never was a Ukrainian offensive. It was just a waste of weapons and money on a corrupt nation where America had and still has no national interest.

Character and principles matter. Who here admires Zelensky? BIden? Any of the Joint Chiefs? Linda Graham? Mitch McConnel? Schumer? McCarthy? All the Democrats in Congress? Those are some of the people who want to lead us into WW III.

I do not follow those that I have zero respect. I’m am able to objectively see the results of what they have done. There is zero success.

I refuse to be fooled twice. The WMD argument for the war in Iraq was the last straw. We lose every forever war because we have clueless, liars leading. The result is we are deeper in debt, less secure and progressively lose our rights. The real enemy of America can be identified by one thing: support for Ukraine. They are just retreads of neocon warmongers of the past. It’s even more hideous when some were the neocon warmongers of the past.

20 posted on 09/24/2023 9:53:35 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Vacate the chair. Shutter the government until it can be correctly defunded.)
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heads up


21 posted on 09/24/2023 9:57:25 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up ....)
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Russia is a mental illness.


24 posted on 09/24/2023 10:07:08 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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“The soldiers aren’t willing to die anymore, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”

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Working their regular hours here. No sign of a slowdown.


26 posted on 09/24/2023 10:09:51 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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Seymour Hersh needs to sit down with McCarthy and tell him and Congress that the jig is up. No wonder Trump said that he could settle this fast.


28 posted on 09/24/2023 10:11:09 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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The New Yorker's Seymour Hirsch of Abu Ghraib fame. Your people went all in with this guy back in 2004, too.


30 posted on 09/24/2023 10:13:12 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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“This pleasurable read should be taken with a grain of salt until we have another source.”

I’m with you. I don’t believe anything I hear about this war.

It’s gaslighting 24/7 by both sides.


32 posted on 09/24/2023 10:18:04 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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This war is so reminiscent of WW1. The battlefield advantage between offense and defense - which historically swings like a pendulum - is utterly in favor of the defense at this point.

Like in WW1 before the end and the introduction of the tank, the side that attacks with infantry into entrenched enemy positions will suffer such enormous casualties that you risk mutiny. Battle of Verdun style.

This is what happened to Prigozhin's forces in Bakhmut. They took Bakhmut after over six months of frontally attacking deeply entrenched Ukrainian positions, and the loses were so appalling (NATO says five-to-one, Ukraine says eight-to-one, I'll go with five-to-one) that you had an actual mutiny with Prigozhin and some allies on the other side of the Russian border abortively marching on Moscow.

Now it's Ukraine's turn. They need to drive to the Sea of Azov to cut the Russian Army in half. In order to do that they have to attack deeply entrenched Russian positions. And the Russians at least have some sort of air cover, unlike the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians simply will not be able to sustain the casualties. If they try naturally their soldiers will refuse to die for nothing. Of course they'll mutiny. Like the French at Verdun. I'll die for my country but I won't commit suicide for my country.

The appalling Russian losses in the Battle of Bakhmut, as bad as they were, could in any event more readily be sustained by the Russians given their huge advantage in men and material. The Ukrainians simply can't withstand that, IMHO.

So, it looks to me like we've reached a culmination in the fighting. I mean for the entire war. Russia managed to take and hold a deep land bridge to Crimea, which was always one of the minimum goals. They wanted more, but they can't win more, I think that's been proven. Without that land corridor in depth they'd be wholly reliant on the Kerch bridge, which the Ukrainians have demonstrated they can reach out an touch nearly at will.

At this point the peace treaty is obvious - Russia keeps the land bridge and Ukraine joins NATO. Absolutely repugnant to both sides but it's the judgement of the battlefield, IMHO.

All parties to this conflict can go on with this war for years longer losing billions more dollars and suffering tens of thousands of more casualties in the process and in the end we'll all still be at the same position we are now. And all the while continuing to risk a direct Russia-Nato fight, which would risk civilization itself.

For all of our sakes, I hope they choose peace.

36 posted on 09/24/2023 10:24:23 AM PDT by Thilly Thailor
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Someone should tell the German Tanker Crews fighting for Ukraine before they are all kilt too!


37 posted on 09/24/2023 10:25:39 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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It ain’t over by a damned site. As long as Biden and his ilk can keep the lie going and continue to soak the US citizens so they can keep the laundered cash train going, it will go on and on and on.


39 posted on 09/24/2023 10:27:46 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perhaps we should be less concerned with who we might offend and more concerned with who we inspire.)
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Doesn’t matter. The money-laundering operation must go on. It’s the law.


40 posted on 09/24/2023 10:28:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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