Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

In science we trust
cbcnews ^

Posted on 09/12/2023 7:54:16 AM PDT by FarCenter

Back in the first half of the 20th century, a group called Technocracy Incorporated wanted to reorganize society by putting scientists in charge. The movement flamed out, but its underlying message still appeals to many in Silicon Valley.

--

On Oct. 13, 1940, a Regina chiropractor named Joshua Haldeman appeared in city court to face two charges under the Defence of Canada Act.

His alleged offence was belonging to Technocracy Incorporated, an organization that had been banned by the Canadian government several months earlier as part of a larger sweep of groups it considered subversive to the war effort.

Technocracy Incorporated was not a political movement – in fact, politicians or members of political parties were not allowed to join. It was founded in New York City in 1933 as an educational and research organization promoting a radical restructuring of political, social and economic life in Canada and the United States, with science as its central operating principle.

There would be no politicians, business people, money or income inequality. Those were all features of what Technocracy called the “price system,” and it would have to go.

There would be no countries called Canada or the United States, either – just one giant continental land mass called the Technate, a techno-utopia run by engineers and other “experts” in their fields. In the Technate, everyone would be well-housed and fed. All material needs would be taken care of, whether you had a job or not.

Joshua Haldeman was a leader of Technocracy Incorporated in Canada from 1936 to 1941, but eventually became disillusioned with both the organization and the country, and packed up his young family to start life anew in South Africa.

In June 1971, Haldeman’s daughter Maeve gave birth to his first grandson. His name is Elon Musk.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsinteractives.cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS:

1 posted on 09/12/2023 7:54:16 AM PDT by FarCenter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

Funny, science doesn’t provide any reason we shouldn’t just toss all the technocrats into the ocean...


2 posted on 09/12/2023 7:56:15 AM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter
Rant on…

SCIENCE ISN'T MATH.

It never was.

And it sure isn't now.

The history of science is littered with "no wait....that's wrong...THIS is right..." going through the rinse and repeat cycle endlessly.

And that's ok. Inquiry and challenge and "being a science heretic" is, in many ways, how mankind learns more and can fix more problems.

One of my favorite sagas regarding "accuracy" and "settled science" is ulcers.

In 1981 Barry Marshall began working with Robin Warren, the Royal Perth Hospital pathologist who, two years earlier, discovered the gut could be overrun by hardy, corkscrew-shaped bacteria called Helicobacter pylori. Biopsying ulcer patients and culturing the organisms in the lab, Marshall traced not just ulcers but also stomach cancer to this gut infection. The cure, he realized, was readily available: anti­biotics. But mainstream gastroenterologists were dismissive, holding on to the old idea that ulcers were caused by stress.

Unable to make his case in studies with lab mice (because H. pylori affects only primates) and prohibited from experimenting on people, Marshall... ran an experiment on ...himself. He took some H. pylori from the gut of an ailing patient, stirred it into a broth, and drank it....Back in the lab, he biopsied his own gut, culturing H. pylori and proving unequivocally that bacteria were the underlying cause of ulcers.

For their work on H. pylori, Marshall and Warren shared a 2005 Nobel Prize. Today the standard of care for an ulcer is treatment with an antibiotic.

But science isn't math. Your checking account balance is the sum of deposits less sum of withdrawals. Always. Forever.

The problem arises when people try to equate science with math...usually they call it "settled science." And, to be sure, robust inquiry and disciplined application of the scientific method usually gives you clear and distinct results. Then, science is settled...until we get new data or better techniques, and then we get "wait a minute..".

For example, there was a most excellent article posted on how "settled science" wasn't so settled, wherein:

seems that Earth has been misplaced. According to a new map of the Milky Way galaxy, the Solar System's position isn't where we thought it was. Not only is it closer to the galactic centre - and the supermassive hole therein, Sagittarius A* - it's orbiting at a faster clip.

It further noted other "errors" in SCIENCE:

A good recent example of this is the red giant star Betelgeuse, which turned out to be closer to Earth than previous measurements suggested. This means that it's neither as large nor as bright as we thought. Another is the object CK Vulpeculae, a star that exploded 350 years ago. It's actually much farther away, which means that the explosion was brighter and more energetic, and requires a new explanation, since previous analyses were performed under the assumption it was relatively low energy

The other problem arises when Certain Powers work overtime to suppress assiduous inquiry. Which, is what we have today as well. It's a bad double whammy.

In the interest of full disclosure, my "science isn't math" quote came from a recent post on social sciences, that featured this brilliant give and take involving a Harvard faculty member critical of Charles Murray from the original article, that is worth reprinting - it is with regard to the "certainty of SCIENCE":

"so why should we let someone teach social science that we know to be wrong in our social science courses?"

Because it is possible that you are wrong.
Science is not mathematics. Newtonian physics was wrong. And social science is a further three rungs down in certainty from science.

Your level of certainty and arrogance about what can be said, and probably thought, smacks of religion, and not science. This is a political religion that permeates academia at the moment. And which I am fairly sure you will swear does not infect you, while the rest of us can see the symptoms quite plainly.

Only religions ban heretics from speaking because of the wrong-think they might cause. Real science loves a good heretic. In fact, honestly, the entire goal of science is to be a heretic. To have an idea that no other person ever had. Science is the pretty much the antithesis of your thought-police approach.

And most of academia used to be the antithesis of your thought police approach as well, until the religion of leftism took it over, with the direct help of people like you.

3 posted on 09/12/2023 7:59:09 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

Science these days means whatever the government says it is.


4 posted on 09/12/2023 7:59:12 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (What did Socialists use before Candles?..... Electricity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

The three most murderous movements of the last 100 years were American/British Eugenics, the Nazis, and the Communists.

The propaganda centerpiece of all three was “we are only following the science”.

Science has no place as a system of government because it does not recognize freedom as a legitimate choice. It has many other uses, but no... not government.


5 posted on 09/12/2023 8:03:07 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

Musk wants to rule the world and rename this planet X.


6 posted on 09/12/2023 8:03:38 AM PDT by xp38
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

Born in 1902 to the earliest chiropractor known to practice in Canada, Joshua Norman Haldeman would develop national and international stature as a political economist, provincial and national professional leader, and sportsman/adventurer. A 1926 graduate of the Palmer School of Chiropractic, he would maintain a lifelong friendship with B.J. Palmer, and served in the late 1940s as Canada’s representative to the Board of Control of the International Chiropractors’ Association. Yet, he would also maintain strong alliances with broad-scope leaders in Canada and the United States, including the administrators of the National and Lincoln chiropractic schools. Haldeman, who would practice chiropractic in Regina for at least 15 years, was instrumental in obtaining, and is credited with composing the wording of, Saskatchewan’s 1943 Chiropractic Act. He served on the province’s first board of examiners and the provincial society’s first executive board. The following year Dr. Haldeman represented Saskatchewan in the deliberations organized by Walter Sturdy, D.C. that gave rise to the Dominion Council of Canadian Chiropractors, forerunner of today’s Canadian Chiropractic Association. As a member of the Dominion Council he fought for inclusion of chiropractors as commissioned officers during World War II, and participated in the formation of the Canadian Memorial Chiropractic College, which he subsequently served as a member of the first board of directors. Dr. Haldeman also earned a place in the political history of Canada, owing to his service as research director for Technocracy, Inc. of Canada, his national chairmanship of the Social Credit Party during the second world war, and his unsuccessful bid for the national parliament. His vocal opposition to Communism during the war briefly landed him in jail. His 1950 relocation of his family and practice to Pretoria, South Africa would open a new page in his career: once again as professional pioneer, but also as aviator and explorer. Although he died in 1974, the values he instilled in his son, Scott Haldeman, D.C., Ph.D., M.D. continue to influence the profession.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2485067/

Weird that he would be a chiropractor, practicing a non-scientific branch of medicine.


7 posted on 09/12/2023 8:06:05 AM PDT by FarCenter (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/aircraft-glitch-delays-canada-pm-trudeaus-departure-india-202)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

But of course, this is an Elon Musk attack piece, smearing him with ideas once held by his grandpa. The word “get Musk” has obviously gone out.

I haven’t heard Musk claim to want to end America. I have heard him say he only has an American passport and would fight and die for America.

They are really mad he didn’t help the Brit/Uke sneak attack on Sevastopol.


8 posted on 09/12/2023 8:06:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

This would be Elon Musk’s uncle.

Scott Haldeman DC, MD, PhD, FRCP(C), FCCS(C), FAAN

Dr. Haldeman holds the positions of Clinical Professor in the Department of Neurology, University of California, Irvine, and Visiting Professor, Southern California University of Health Sciences.

He is a graduate of the University of Pretoria, South Africa (B.Sc. M.Sc), the Palmer College of Chiropractic, USA (DC), and the University of British Columbia, Canada (Ph.D., M.D.) He completed his internship at the Vancouver General Hospital, residency in Neurology at the University of California Irvine and fellowship in electrodiagnosis at the Long Beach Veterans Hospital.

https://www.worldspinecare.org/scott-haldeman


9 posted on 09/12/2023 8:09:42 AM PDT by FarCenter (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/aircraft-glitch-delays-canada-pm-trudeaus-departure-india-202)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

Which “science”...before 2020 or after? Before 2020 is far more accurate than the propaganda driven after 2020.


10 posted on 09/12/2023 8:10:02 AM PDT by mikelets456
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DesertRhino

The CBC publication date is June 28, 2021.


11 posted on 09/12/2023 8:11:13 AM PDT by FarCenter (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/aircraft-glitch-delays-canada-pm-trudeaus-departure-india-202)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: mikelets456

Science has been corrupted by leftist politics.


12 posted on 09/12/2023 8:14:18 AM PDT by bray (You can tell who the Commies fear.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: DesertRhino

>Science has no place as a system of government because it does not recognize freedom as a legitimate choice.

That ship has sailed. WW I&II were technological wars fought by applying science to weapons development, production, strategy, tactics, operations, logistics, etc. The crowning achievement was the Manhattan Project.

By 1946 science was hugely influential in government.


13 posted on 09/12/2023 8:16:09 AM PDT by FarCenter (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/aircraft-glitch-delays-canada-pm-trudeaus-departure-india-202)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

Patton was right.

“Wonder weapons? My God, I don’t see the wonder in ‘em. Killing without heroics. Nothing is glorified. Nothing is reaffirmed. No heroes, no cowards, no troops. No generals. Only those who are left alive and those who are left dead.”


14 posted on 09/12/2023 8:17:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

I know it has taken over. Covid proved that. But science as government is illegitimate.


15 posted on 09/12/2023 8:18:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman

There’s a movie from the thirties or forties where engineers are running the show on account of being all sorted out and smart and everything. I got a kick out of the gigantic prop driven aircraft.


16 posted on 09/12/2023 8:33:13 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FarCenter

17 posted on 09/12/2023 10:39:15 AM PDT by Delta 21 (If anyone is treasonous, it is those who call me such.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson