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To: canuck_conservative

This is about as militarily significant as the V1 and V2 rocket attacks on the UK.


2 posted on 08/30/2023 2:12:11 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

they’re also good for probing weaknesses in the Russian “air defenses”

guess Vlady shouldn’t have stripped all those S-400 systems of their missiles just so he could bomb Ukraine last fall, huh


8 posted on 08/30/2023 2:20:28 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: Reverend Wright

The V attacks did succeed in diverting Allied resources into air defense and suppression of V-sites, etc. Not enough, and of questionable utility given the vast investment in the V- programs, a poor bang for the buck, but they did have an effect.

The Ukrainian drone attacks are, unlike the V-programs, a very low-cost operation.

Its already had an effect, going back to last year, in forcing the Russians to abandon military airbases (such as Belgorod and those in Crimea) within what was thought to be in drone range. Now that drone range is much greater we will probably see even greater withdrawals, beyond the current effective range. This is turning into a severe problem, as it seems every military airfield in western Russia is at risk of attrition attacks.

I am speaking of basing, not usage, such as loading, unloading or refueling aircraft. Targeting doesn’t seem to be real-time, yet. But operating aircraft, which involves maintenance, etc., where aircraft have to stay put for several days, is becoming risky.


12 posted on 08/30/2023 2:30:30 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Reverend Wright

Equivalency Fail.

The V weapons were area-targeted at population centers.

The UKR drones are much more accurate, specifically targeted at C&C and strategic weapons.

Maybe Russia shouldn’t have bombed UKR civilian infrastructure for the last 2 years?

No sympathy.


21 posted on 08/30/2023 2:49:42 PM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Reverend Wright

The P.R. significance far outweighs Amy military significance. If it kills random citizens and civilians it will terrorize the general populace and make headlines. I think Putin does not survive to end this invasion.


26 posted on 08/30/2023 2:59:35 PM PDT by desertsolitaire (w)
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To: Reverend Wright; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; ...

Ukraine ping

RW: [This is about as militarily significant as the V1 and V2 rocket attacks on the UK.]


Very different. The German attacks were militarily significant in that they were good for diverting British resources towards air defense. Unfortunately for the Germans, they were otherwise ineffectual because they seldom hit industrial or military targets, due to the rudimentary nature of their targeting systems. Whereas the Ukrainian drones and missiles are precisely targeted, due to technology available now but not during WW2. And they serve the secondary function of diverting Russian resources towards air defense - cash that would otherwise be used towards supplying, arming or training their invasion force in Ukraine.

War is a combo of keeping morale high and setting vast sums of money on fire. Striking at military installations, ammo dumps and military aircraft in Russia keeps Ukrainian morale going, retards the Russian war effort and sets billions of rubles’ worth of Russian gear on fire. A real trifecta.


28 posted on 08/30/2023 3:09:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Reverend Wright

The drones in Moscow aren’t military; they’re political. It’s designed to bring the war to the Muscovites, for whom it was previously just a TV show, if that. Not much other purpose for causing a fire in an office building on a weekend.


45 posted on 08/30/2023 4:06:49 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Reverend Wright
This is about as militarily significant as the V1 and V2 rocket attacks on the UK.

Hard to know.

The V1 and V2 rockets were not effective against military targets. They were terror weapons.

The Ukrainian drones seem very precise. The question is, how much munitions and logistics support are they able to destroy?

60 posted on 08/30/2023 5:44:46 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Reverend Wright

Ukraine destroyed 4 Il-76s and an S-400 system only within this week. These are systems, that Russia can not replace.


72 posted on 08/31/2023 6:51:49 AM PDT by Krosan
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