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'Strategic Bombing' of Russia Integral to Ukraine's Offensive: Ex-General
Newsweek ^ | August 30, 2023 | David Brennan

Posted on 08/30/2023 2:06:33 PM PDT by canuck_conservative

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To: TonyinLA

Russia has lost a lot of wars. They certainly arent up to a “Great Patriotic War” at this time. I see this as more like the Polish-Soviet War. Or the Russo-Japanese War.


41 posted on 08/30/2023 3:54:20 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Fai Mao

“If Russia landed an army on US shores I would to tempted to view them as liberators.”

And I would consider you a traitor and act accordingly.


42 posted on 08/30/2023 3:58:18 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: PGR88

“I have no doubt you would enjoy a nice, big war between the USA and Russia.”

Why not? Medvedev does. Or are you criticizing his opinion? Do you think him insane for provoking war?


43 posted on 08/30/2023 4:01:57 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Fai Mao

Post of the day.

The support for the unelected dictator Xiden is sickening. I WILL NOT support Xiden in any circumstance, not even in war.

#RESIST #NOTMTPRESIDENT


44 posted on 08/30/2023 4:05:55 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (The fate of all mankind, I see, is in the hands of fools.- King Crimson)
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To: Reverend Wright

The drones in Moscow aren’t military; they’re political. It’s designed to bring the war to the Muscovites, for whom it was previously just a TV show, if that. Not much other purpose for causing a fire in an office building on a weekend.


45 posted on 08/30/2023 4:06:49 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Travis McGee
Ukraine did exactly the opposite when their legislature passed the Donbass reintegration bill in January 2018, prohibiting any autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk. This measure buried the Minsk agreement for good.
Ukraine Moves To Restore Control Over Separatist-Held Areas https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-parliament-passes-donbas-reintegration-bill/28982677.html

46 posted on 08/30/2023 4:08:27 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: CrimsonTidegirl

Typo.

NOTMYPRESIDENT


47 posted on 08/30/2023 4:08:42 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (The fate of all mankind, I see, is in the hands of fools.- King Crimson)
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To: Eleutheria5

That’s what I’m saying. Exactly like the V1 and V2.

They hope for a propaganda effect but is militarily insignificant.

Also, guarantee to backfire. It doesn’t make people’s knees buckle and want to surrender. It gets their back up and want to expand the war.


48 posted on 08/30/2023 4:09:10 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: CrimsonTidegirl

Thank you.

In the coming persecution my only job will be to die bravely at the hands of traitorous left and those that support them. The arthritis ensures that. I am unable to physically resist them.


49 posted on 08/30/2023 4:13:26 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Starve the beast and steal its food!)
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To: Justa

Why are you here posting? You should be in Ukraine with your brave, freedom-fighting comrades in the Azov Brigades?


50 posted on 08/30/2023 4:15:11 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: DesertRhino; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; ...

Ukraine ping

DR: [And it has the distinction of killing more of it’s own workers than victims.]


The slave laborers were starved to death as a matter of German policy. Would have been better to keep experienced workers alive and maybe give them productivity incentives such as getting family members out of clink. But Hitler knew better.

I’d argue that the V-2 wasn’t so much a failure as Germany wasn’t wealthy enough to pay for it. A V-2 cost 50K RM, or about $12.5K dollars, had a 1 ton warhead. A B-17 cost $250K, lasted 4 sorties before being shot down, on average, and a payload of 2 tons.

A B-17 cost $250K to deposit 8 tons of bombs, before being destroyed. 8 V-2’s costing $100K would deposit the same 8 tons at 40% the cost without risking any pilots. It would have been a reasonable proposition if Hitler hadn’t decided to fight all the major powers simultaneously, while also slaughtering populations in the Russian empire that earnestly looked forward to German rule.

Parenthetically, the V-1, at 1/10 the cost of the V-2, while delivering almost the same warhead, was even more competitive. The problem was, again, primitive guidance systems and resource constraints from fighting multiple powerful adversaries, each mobilized to the utmost.

Hitler never expected the US to raise military spending from 1% to 40%. That was a political feat achieved only this one time in the nation’s history, and may not ever be achieved again.


51 posted on 08/30/2023 4:24:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: PGR88

Defense is universal. Everyone has that right. Conquest is specific to its beneficiaries.

You should go to RUS and volunteer to further Russia’s imperialistic goals. Support Putin’s adventurism. Maybe he’ll share some of the spoils with you.


52 posted on 08/30/2023 4:27:29 PM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Zhang Fei

“Hitler never expected the US to raise military spending from 1% to 40%. That was a political feat achieved only this one time in the nation’s history, and may not ever be achieved again.”

Yup. We don’t have the same kind of people here anymore: Patriotic; dedicated; willing to fight and willing to sacrifice. The Greatest Generation was just that; I am not optimistic we will ever see their likes again.


53 posted on 08/30/2023 4:43:27 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MeganC

“Here’s the thing: It’s obvious to me that discount drones are not flying across hundreds of miles of Russian territory to hit these targets. They’re being launched and controlled from relatively nearby.”

There are anti-Putin Russians inside Russia. Perhaps one of them was responsible for this attack.


54 posted on 08/30/2023 4:46:21 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
You do a good job making up history. Ukraine did exactly the opposite when their legislature passed the Donbass reintegration bill in January 2018, prohibiting any autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk.

The law, entitled On the aspects of state policy on the restoration of the state sovereignty of Ukraine over the temporarily occupied territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine did no such thing. The Minsk agreement was to grant autonomy, not independence or Russian annexation, to Donbas. Legislation for this autonomy was first passed in 2014 and renewed in 2020 (Ukraine Extends Donbas Special Status Law By One Year). The 2018 law that you referenced just states that Donbas was Ukrainian territory temporally occupied by Russia. By the Minsk agreement Russia was required to restore control of the border to Ukraine, reintegrating it into Ukraine. It is Russia that failed to honor the Minsk agreement, not Ukraine.

In all the Russian hype about Ukraine allegedly not complying with the Minsk agreement (falsely implying that Ukraine was supposed to grant Donbas independence) what has been left out has been the actual desire of the people of Donbas. Two separate poles, one in 2016 and another in 2019, showed that a majority of respondents in the Russian controlled area wanted to return to Ukrainian sovereignty (Most people in separatist-held areas of Donbas prefer reintegration with Ukraine – new survey). The idea that the Russians are just protecting the people of Donbas who desire independence from Ukraine is pure Russian propaganda. Russia is acting on its own interest, not that of the people of Donbas.

55 posted on 08/30/2023 4:46:39 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: TonyinLA

“Uke has no chance. Never did. Should’ve kept their word in the Minsk agreements and said “No!” to NATO turning their country into a military springboard. But instead they asked for it, and now they’re getting it good and hard.”

What is the edition date of your Russian talking points?


56 posted on 08/30/2023 4:48:01 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: EnderWiggin1970
But to your point, while not considering the Russians to be saints, they are at least fighting on the side of national sovereignty.

Invading another country in an attempt to subjugate it is not "fighting on the side of national sovereignty."

57 posted on 08/30/2023 4:52:22 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: canuck_conservative
Yes, I mad that idiots like you want to push us into WW III or a nuclear war. It's especially annoying from a Canadian a-hole whose military wouldn't last two weeks against the Russian military.

Put up and shut up and make the same bet Megan C. made with me.

There is not an inch of annexed territory that will ever be part of Ukraine.

All idiots like you are do is getting more Ukrainians killed. But, you too much of sociopath to give a hoot.

58 posted on 08/30/2023 5:37:28 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: buwaya

We are getting are ass kicked in this proxy war. The terrorist attacks on Russian civilians are completely irrelevant to the outcome. And, simply continue to show 80% of the rest of the war that we, under Biden, the real evil empire.


59 posted on 08/30/2023 5:38:52 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Reverend Wright
This is about as militarily significant as the V1 and V2 rocket attacks on the UK.

Hard to know.

The V1 and V2 rockets were not effective against military targets. They were terror weapons.

The Ukrainian drones seem very precise. The question is, how much munitions and logistics support are they able to destroy?

60 posted on 08/30/2023 5:44:46 PM PDT by marktwain
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