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Who Best Avoided the COVID Religion?
epoch times ^ | 22 August A.D. 2023 | Jeffrey Tucker

Posted on 08/22/2023 5:22:00 AM PDT by lightman

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1 posted on 08/22/2023 5:22:00 AM PDT by lightman
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As an Evangelical Christian I think I agree with this. The church, including the one I attend absolutely failed. They capitulated and bowed the knee to the atheistic governors and County Executives who spit upon the Constitutions they swore allegiance to.

Many in my church have lost respect for the church leadership.

If there was a better one in my community. we’d be there, but sadly, they all failed equally.


2 posted on 08/22/2023 5:30:22 AM PDT by cyclotic
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To: cyclotic

2020 taught me firsthand the unfortunate lesson that very few people in this world have the courage to truly stand up to fascism. I understand now how it is that so many awful atrocities take place throughout history.


3 posted on 08/22/2023 5:48:11 AM PDT by jpl ("You are fake news.")
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To: cyclotic
The Resurrection is Against the Law

An excerpt from Bill Wylie-Kellermann’s classic Seasons of Faith and Conscience (1991).

The sealing of the tomb is, I believe, notoriously misunderstood. I grew up with a Sunday School notion that to seal the tomb was a matter of hefting the big stone and cementing it tight. The seal, in my mind’s eye, was something like first-century caulking–puttying up the cracks to keep the stink in. Not so. This is a legal seal. Cords would be strung across the rock and anchored at each end with clay. To move the stone would break the seal and indicate tampering.

The event conspicuously echoes the story of Daniel sealed in the den of lions. “And a stone was brought and laid upon the mouth of the den, and the king sealed it with his own signet and with the signet of his lords, that nothing might be changed concerning Daniel” (Daniel 6:18). As there, this is a legal lock on the tomb door–not air tight, but politically tight. To move the stone and break the seal is a civil crime. The resurrection is against the law.

The seal is also a recurring theme in the book of Revelation. Remember the scroll of history sealed with seven seals? Only One is worthy to break them and look upon or unveil the truth: that One is the Lamb who was slain. The seal is a claim of ownership and authority. Its meaning in Revelation is at least that God in Christ reigns sovereign over all history and in all events.

Caesar, in Pilate, on the other hand, violently disputes the claim. He has set his seal of approval on Jesus’ death, and now he guarantees it with troops. Secured by security forces. When the seal is broken in the resurrection, it stands among the signs that the power of the powers (death in all its forms) has been broken. The dominion of political authority–especially inflated, aggressive–and imperial authority has been cut to the heart.

4 posted on 08/22/2023 5:49:19 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

My church Legacy in Albuquerque fought the state of New Mexico and its fascist Governor every step of the way!


5 posted on 08/22/2023 5:59:27 AM PDT by Kartographer (“We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes And Our Sacred Honor”)
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To: lightman
In my area it was even worse. My state has a constitutional provision that explicitly prohibits the government from restricting religious services, but the most Christian leaders voluntarily imposed their own restrictions on church services.
6 posted on 08/22/2023 6:01:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”)
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All religious gatherings were shut down but the queer hook-up apps stayed open for business. Guess they were “essential.”


7 posted on 08/22/2023 6:02:04 AM PDT by fwdude (.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Same in Pennsylvania...the Governor’s orders explicitly exempted places of worship but the Hierarchs (probably pressured by their liability insurance underwriters) chose fear over faith.


8 posted on 08/22/2023 6:03:07 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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Think what that means in terms of the history of science and faith. For centuries we’ve been told that only a faithless rationalism provides a true guide to truth, while faith is merely a superstitious distraction. There are perhaps some valid historical reasons for this bias—certainly the union of church and state was not good for religion or civic community—but the truth is more complicated.

The last three years have shown that this claim might be completely inverted. It is faith that allows people clarity to see through government propaganda and inspire people with moral conviction to do what is right regardless of what a totalitarian government happens to be preaching at any one time.

AMEN!

9 posted on 08/22/2023 6:12:13 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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Who Best Avoided the COVID Religion?

Me   ;-)

10 posted on 08/22/2023 6:32:33 AM PDT by tomkat (SOTU = FUBAR)
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I was representing students making claims to their schools for their religious exemptions from the Covid vaccine.


11 posted on 08/22/2023 6:36:55 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: lightman
the Bishop neither given permission nor refusing it.

Pure Pontius Pilate move.

The parish allowed parishioners to come in the back entrance where the media was not on the lookout, and they kept the lights in the building very low so as not to attract government officials.

America is pagan Rome now - with a side order of soviet law.

12 posted on 08/22/2023 6:38:08 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: yldstrk

Goodonya !


13 posted on 08/22/2023 6:38:41 AM PDT by tomkat (SOTU = FUBAR)
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To: Sirius Lee
The parish allowed parishioners to come in the back entrance where the media was not on the lookout, and they kept the lights in the building very low so as not to attract government officials.

Very parallel to what the St. Mary's Catholic Church of Lancaster, Pennsylvania did during the 1918 Spanish Influenza.

But that closure of churches lasted for only three weeks.

Which goes to show how badly we were being played over a disease so mild that you had to "get tested" to know whether or not you had it.

14 posted on 08/22/2023 8:37:57 AM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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I believe that we’re to be respectful toward government when they appear to have good intentions. So, the 14 days to flatten the curve, given an entirely unknown disease, was not an outrageous thing to ask. However, when it became evident that this would be extended and used for power, control, and to discriminate against churches, our obligation then was to “obey God rather than man.”


15 posted on 08/22/2023 10:05:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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Our pastor was called by the county health department and threatened with state troopers if we had our 2020 Easter Service. We were allegedly having services in defiance of the governors orders and theirs, which we were not. We followed CDC guidelines and did facebook and parking lot services, but we had 10 people in the church doing various jobs. Playing piano, leading music, facebook, sound room etc... doing the social distancing idiocy and that wasn’t good enough. Your cars will be 6 ft apart in the parking lot the health department shrew demanded and the pastor asked why this wasn’t the rule for Walmart and Krogers? No reply. He finally said you are violating our Constitutional Rights, we are having services and you send your troopers, they obviously need to hear the Word as do you.

We held our Easter service and filed complaints with the state Attorney General Daniel Cameron and they investigated and put a stop to the local health department thug(BTW her husband is allegedly a minister, interesting his wife’s master works in Frankfort). No troopers showed up and the congregation is still furious at the local health department gestapo’s tactics.

Come May the pastor and deacons decided we are done with the parking lot services and we are having them in person and did the distancing thing and placed masks and hand sanitizer about the church. Our first day back was the Mothers Day service which we were going to do regardless of the health department thugs. The night before the Kentucky Supreme Court ruled churches could meet, the governor was in violation of the law.

Since that Mothers Day service we have closed once for a Wednesday and Sunday services because the pastor, assistant pastor and deacons had minor cases of covid at the same time. Because we refused to close we were attacked by other churches in the community. We were called “bad neighbors”, “uncaring for our fellowmen”, even said we were “a bunch of fanatical snake handler types!” At one point we were the only Baptist church in our county having Sunday and Wednesday evening services.

Attendance stayed strong, when we went back to in church services we had about five or ten members either stay in their cars or watch facebook and after a few months all those returned but five or six and they stopped attending and fell away. The tithes and contributions remained strong and actually increased in 2020, 2021, 2022 and this year as well.

The pastor and deacons all say we didn’t do anything God’s hand was in this beginning to now, he gets all the glory!!!


16 posted on 08/22/2023 10:13:46 AM PDT by sarge83
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Having just gone through a 35 part study of ACTS, I am struck by how totalitarian the antichrist Jews were in their scheming and, oddly, how judicially fair the Roman government constrained itself to be in spite of them (albeit with mixed motives thrown in). There was something TO being a Roman citizen and Paul pointedly appealed to his citizenship several times and prevailed over his kinsman foes.


17 posted on 08/22/2023 10:38:22 AM PDT by avenir ("For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"!)
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Those who trusted Jesus over Fauci ...

...got a bit of scorn their way even from fellow churchgoers.

18 posted on 08/22/2023 3:10:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tomkat

likewise

I get sick FROM flu shots, so I wasn’t about to take the COVID one.

Wifey did - booster, too.

Yup - she got sick!


19 posted on 08/22/2023 3:12:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lightman

yeah!


20 posted on 08/22/2023 3:12:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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