Nato may be about to sell Ukraine short – and make itself irrelevant

Yahoo news ^ | 20 Aug 24 | Richard Kemp

[delta7]

Nato appears to have abandoned hopes of a Ukrainian victory. Speaking in Norway, secretary general Jens Stoltenberg’s chief of staff, Stian Jenssen, said that a peace deal might involve Kyiv ceding territory to Russia in return for Nato membership.

[delta7]

It’s about time , even a major western MSM agency is reporting the Ukies failed offensive, and time to give up the ethnic Russian provinces.

Great, make it so, the quicker the better…..I still think Vlad needs to get unconditional surrender to put this war to an end, forever.

[ltc8k6]

That does not sound like a deal Putin would accept, especially if he is winning the war.

[alternatives?]

“to put this war to an end, forever.”

War ended between Germany, Poland, Ukraine, and Russia forever? Good luck with that.

[Williams]

Was your mother bitten by a Ukrainian or something?

[Reno89519]

It was always irrelevant.

[Reno89519]

Ukraine definitely, and increasingly NATO since the Europeans won’t fund and support it, continuing to rely on the US to defend them yet not supporting and bowing to our needs.

[montag813]

But Holland announced today that they are giving Ukraine 42 F-16s.

[Apparatchik]

That official has walked backed those remarks.

Four days ago.

NATO official admits comments on Ukraine giving up territory to gain membership were a ‘mistake’

Try to keep up, Ivan.

[Prince of Space]

Actual F16s…or just model planes? 🤣

[ought-six]

“I still think Vlad needs to get unconditional surrender to put this war to an end, forever.”

Of course you do. You are perhaps the most vocal pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine supporter on FR. I would be surprised if you didn’t call for unconditional surrender.

[Mariner]

This article was actually published Aug 19th, not 20th.

And I posted it yesterday.

And as late as today Search still works:)

[1of10]

“sell Ukraine short”

Anybody know the ticker on that?

[frithguild]

to give up the ethnic Russian provinces.

So, Summy, Kharkov, Poltava and Kremenchug, then a cross the Dneiper and straight toward Moldova. That would be enoght to make the point.

[RetiredTexasVet]

Should have called Captain Obvious sooner.

[wildcard_redneck]

Neocons are bloodthirsty morons. I guarantee you if the Ukraine War ends they’ll be clamoring to go climb into another country to rape it.

[wildcard_redneck]

"That official has walked backed those remarks."

He said it freely, and now he's walking it back under duress, how convincing.

Now try to tell us gain us that Zelenskyy pimping out Ukrainian women to the porn industry for money to fund his war is a good thing.

[BobL]

“Nato appears to have abandoned hopes of a Ukrainian victory. Speaking in Norway, secretary general Jens Stoltenberg’s chief of staff, Stian Jenssen, said that a peace deal might involve Kyiv ceding territory to Russia in return for Nato membership.”

Sounds like he’s halfway there, but of course, Ukraine in NATO, whether overtly or covertly, is a non-starter for Russia.

In any case, nice to see some PROGRESS for peace.

[BobL]

“But Holland announced today that they are giving Ukraine 42 F-16s.”

Is Holland also supplying their pilots? If not, does their version of the F-16 have good autopilots?

[Apparatchik]

Now try to tell us gain us that Zelenskyy pimping out Ukrainian women to the porn industry for money to fund his war…

He is? Gosh, golly, I must have missed that being reported. Can you cite that as a fact? Or maybe this is just more of your hubris and fevered imagination. Do you happen work for CNN or Rachel Maddox?

[Tzimisce]

....did anyone ever figure out why we’re in the Ukraine?