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Fitch warns it may be forced to downgrade dozens of banks, including JPMorgan Chase
CNBC ^ | AUG 15 2023 | Hugh Son

Posted on 08/15/2023 4:10:08 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

A Fitch Ratings analyst warned that the U.S. banking industry has inched closer to another source of turbulence — the risk of sweeping rating downgrades on dozens of U.S. banks that could even include the likes of JPMorgan Chase .

The ratings agency cut its assessment of the industry’s health in June, a move that analyst Chris Wolfe said went largely unnoticed because it didn’t trigger downgrades on banks.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


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1 posted on 08/15/2023 4:10:08 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
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To: RomanSoldier19

“Sweeping rating downgrades on dozens of U.S. banks is evidence of just how strong the economy is under Joe Biden.”
— The Media


2 posted on 08/15/2023 4:16:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (They say "Our Democracy" but they mean Cosa Nostra.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL. Yep, you nailed it.

Except Joe himself will spout that nonsense as will Yellen.


3 posted on 08/15/2023 4:18:20 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (We are proles, they are nobility.)
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To: RomanSoldier19
that could even include the likes of JPMorgan Chase

Could just be a coincidence, but they're big into ESG and DEI. Maybe they should stop wasting money and refocus their attention.

4 posted on 08/15/2023 4:19:50 AM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." — M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: FoxInSocks

ESG and DEI is a cancer and they know it


5 posted on 08/15/2023 4:21:46 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: RomanSoldier19

Michael Burry just made a $1.6 billion dollar bet on shorts.


6 posted on 08/15/2023 4:26:32 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: RomanSoldier19
A bank downgrade makes Biden’s economy look bad. We can’t have that!
Fitch needs a visit from the FBI. You know, something to get their minds right.


7 posted on 08/15/2023 4:29:06 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: RomanSoldier19; Leaning Right; EEGator; ronnie raygun; ClearCase_guy; FoxInSocks

What a stupid article, based on a stupid false premise.

But it got clicks. Because that’s all that matters.

For those of us who haven’t surrendered our brain to despair yet, here’s the linchpin: “The problem created by another downgrade to A+ is that the industry’s score would then be lower than some of its top-rated lenders. The country’s two largest banks by assets, JPMorgan and Bank of America, would likely be cut to A+ from AA- in this scenario, since banks can’t be rated higher than the environment in which they operate.”

The capping of any firm’s ordinal measure of credit risk at that of the operating environment is a Rule. It’s not math. To wit: countries have defaulted on their sovereign debt, but that didn’t translate into every in-country bank or business also failing.

The practice of “capping at the sovereign” is a simple, neat and wrong practice. To be sure, it is a nice theory, and it makes life really simple for the scores of people who deal with ordinal credit ratings.

But just because Fitch wakes up one morning, and downgrades their opinion of the operating environment, that doesn’t mean that, overnight, the default potential of all banks have increased.

Again, a façile fear-pr0n article designed to scare people. And get clicks. All that is missing is a snake oil salesman pushing gold bullion and accepting “Worthless” fiat currency as payment.


8 posted on 08/15/2023 4:47:33 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: RomanSoldier19
Pop Quiz:

You're a Stacker, pick one:


9 posted on 08/15/2023 4:52:39 AM PDT by C210N
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To: EEGator

Burry must see some event or two unfolding.

It is curious that the Russian Ruble has gone up to a hundred per dollar in the past week. Also, if you notice real estate action, Zillow came up this week and said it was ending ‘house-flipping’ segment that it was engaged upon. Zillow said that whatever algorithm they had....was in failure mode.

I would suggest a different type of 2008 experience is about to occur, where banks shut down loans in a harsh manner...for both personal and commercial situations.

Go look at property insurance problems in both California/Florida. Lot of turmoil presently going on.


10 posted on 08/15/2023 4:54:37 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: DoodleBob
All that is missing is a snake oil salesman pushing gold bullion and accepting “Worthless” fiat currency as payment.

It is worthless, by 97% since 1913

. Fiat currency is not money, it is debt. Borrowed from the FED, and interest owed from the gitgo.


11 posted on 08/15/2023 4:56:47 AM PDT by C210N
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To: C210N

I’d take the silver.


12 posted on 08/15/2023 4:56:50 AM PDT by EvilCapitalist (81 million votes my ass.)
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To: EvilCapitalist

As I hope most of us would.


13 posted on 08/15/2023 4:58:05 AM PDT by C210N
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To: DoodleBob

What if manipulating people and crashing the economy is the plan?
Fear is a useful tool.

The Phoenix rises from the ashes…


14 posted on 08/15/2023 5:00:17 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: RomanSoldier19

well yeah

that is the natural order of things whenever a nation becomes a banana republic

a cup of wheat for a day’s wages


15 posted on 08/15/2023 5:01:22 AM PDT by SisterK (it's controlled demolition)
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To: C210N

Have you seen this video yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0


16 posted on 08/15/2023 5:01:29 AM PDT by EvilCapitalist (81 million votes my ass.)
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To: DoodleBob

I agree that a bank downgrade does not mean the sky is falling. As you noted, any such event must be taken in context. It’s just something to note. No need to panic and head for the hills.

However, I am in favor of any article that makes Biden’s economy look bad.


17 posted on 08/15/2023 5:02:32 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: pepsionice

Thanks for the heads up.


18 posted on 08/15/2023 5:13:17 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EvilCapitalist

Yep, I have. Mark Dice is great.


19 posted on 08/15/2023 5:17:10 AM PDT by C210N
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To: SisterK
According to Tate, just the same as in Egyptian days, today we get paid to have food and a house.

Modern-day Slavery

20 posted on 08/15/2023 5:19:53 AM PDT by C210N
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