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Maui Wildfires Blamed on Climate Change, but Government Was the Real Problem
The New American ^ | August 13, 2023 | James Murphy

Posted on 08/14/2023 3:27:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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41 posted on 08/14/2023 7:01:34 PM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Brilliant synopsis. But #6? What is the benefit and meaning of “fuel load reduction”?


42 posted on 08/14/2023 7:39:08 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her lbegs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Got it in post #46. TY so much. Again, brilliant, logical and succinct.


43 posted on 08/14/2023 7:42:43 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her lbegs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Oops. #37! lol


44 posted on 08/14/2023 7:43:25 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her lbegs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

your whole list hinges on the root cause, why did pineapple plantation companies leave maui?

taxes drove them elsewhere? worker issues? fields no longer good to grow them for some reason?


45 posted on 08/14/2023 7:47:24 PM PDT by b4me
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To: NoLibZone

Well, they were aware and had a plan to mitigate in 2016
It looked good on paper.

paper.https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/forestry/files/2018/04/2016_SouthMauiCWPP_HWMO.pdf

This was for the part where Kihei is...


46 posted on 08/14/2023 7:50:41 PM PDT by TMD (Behind Enemy Lines but, no longer in the SF bay area....)
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To: ScottfromNJ

“5. The tall, combustible grasses grew right up to the edge of Lahaina.”

The G00g1e Maps satellite view along at least one street at that edge (Kahoma St.) seems to show a homeless camp in those tall grasses. That street was mentioned early on as needing evacuation in a timeline summary I saw somewhere.

https://www.google.com/maps/@20.8914727,-156.6812708,45m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu


47 posted on 08/14/2023 7:56:27 PM PDT by Tellurian (To the Dems, the middle class is a festering wound. They want it amputated.)
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To: NoLibZone

Well, they were aware and had a plan to mitigate in 2016
It looked good on paper.

paper.https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/forestry/files/2018/04/2016_SouthMauiCWPP_HWMO.pdf

This was for the part where Kihei is...


48 posted on 08/14/2023 8:22:55 PM PDT by TMD (Behind Enemy Lines but, no longer in the SF bay area....)
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To: alstewartfan

“What is the benefit and meaning of “fuel load reduction”?”

Get rid of the fuel and there’s nothing to burn. The previously-irrigated cane and pineapple fields were wet and cultivated, so hard to burn. When they disappeared, dry, flammable weeds moved in, i.e., lots of fuel for the fires (the “fuel load”). It was like the prairie fires that routinely swept across the Great Plains up into the Canadian prairies. The native grasses, when they dried out mid- to late-summer, burned like crazy and swept across the prairies.


49 posted on 08/14/2023 9:34:11 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (We are proles, they are nobility.)
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To: b4me
Those are good questions. I don't know what happened, so a quick Google search found a Horticultural Science paper with everything you want to know about the Hawaiian Pineapple Industry: Hawaii Pineapple: The Rise and Fall of an Industry.

Here are a few excerpts. There are really no surprises...globalization combined with high labor and land prices in Hawaii is the main reason.

* Foreshadowing of the decline of the industry began in the 1960s, mainly as a result of competition from canned packs produced in the Philippines and Thailand.

* Production was also growing elsewhere with 3.82 million cases produced in 1950 in Taiwan, Malaya/Singapore, Okinawa, South Africa, Australia, Côte d’Ivoire, and “all other” areas; by 1969, production in those countries totaled 24.1 million cases, whereas Hawaii’s production had only increased from 11.95 to 12.85 million cases (Anonymous, 1972).

* ...shipping costs from Hawaii to the mainland that exceeded the costs from the Philippines and Thailand as a result of the Jones Act, the termination of regular ocean shipping service to Gulf and East Coast ports in 1968, and price competition from domestic fruits and juices. However, the Commission found that the primary factor contributing to the higher cost of Hawaiian canned pineapple was unit labor costs, which accounted for half of production costs and were 90% greater in 1972 than they had been in 1960. Larsen and Marks (2010) also noted that land costs were high in Hawaii and observed that a 0.5% gross income tax on products and the cost of pineapple research also contributed to the higher costs in the Hawaii industry.

* The circumstances that brought about the fall of the Hawaii industry are no different from those that have caused the demise of many industries in developed countries. The globalization of the international economy allowed companies in developed countries to relocate production to developing countries to take advantage of lower labor costs together with cheaper resources such as land and water. The systematic reduction of tariffs by developed countries since WWII accentuated this trend.


Figure 3. Total tons pineapple produced in Hawaii (Tons–all), tons sold fresh (Tons fresh), farm gate value of pineapple sold, value of tons sold fresh, and selected data on canneries and land in pineapple. (Anonymous, 1961–1997; Hidano and Nakasone, 2007; Martin and Osaki, 1998–2006; values from 2008 to 2010 are the authors’ best estimates.)

50 posted on 08/14/2023 9:47:07 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (We are proles, they are nobility.)
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To: Tellurian

One early report said the fire was man-caused by homeless camp cooking.

Interestingly, we have a man-caused forest fire here in Hayden, Idaho (now 2,500 acres) with suspicions of a similar cause.


51 posted on 08/14/2023 9:48:39 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (We are proles, they are nobility.)
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