Posted on 08/13/2023 8:33:42 AM PDT by backpacker_c
It seemed everything that could have gone wrong for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Saturday did.
The governor has spent the past two days coddling and cozying up to every Iowa voter and state legislator possible. The return on investment? Being drowned out by his biggest adversaries: progressives and Trump loyalists.
On Saturday afternoon, while DeSantis joined Reynolds and Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst at a grill to flip pork chops, Trump supporters surrounded the venue and chanted, “We love Trump!” Moments later, Trump’s plane flew overhead, seeming to taunt DeSantis as fairgoers craned to get a look.
Trump’s visit to the state fair lasted about an hour — long enough to arrive to the overflowing Steer N’ Stein bar,... the crowd outside of the bar, craning for a glimpse of Trump as he entered or exited, was at least three times the size of the crowd at DeSantis’ “fair-side chat” with Gov. Reynolds
Meanwhile, DeSantis walked through the fair for the better part of Saturday, surrounded by about a dozen men carrying DeSantis signs, who identified themselves as employees of DeSantis’ political action committee, Never Back Down.
Even the crowd at DeSantis’ morning event, protesters aside, was not entirely convinced by the governor.
The fact that a significant portion of DeSantis’ audience couldn’t hear his speech before the audio cut didn’t help, either. Reynolds hadn’t even asked the first question when a group of six protesters began blowing whistles and ringing cowbells, causing Reynolds to stop the event and ask all attendees to be “Iowa nice.”
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Yes, but now it’s crossed over into concerns over his lack of judgement. This was all a bad idea. That he doesn’t realize that he’s never going to win over Trump voters is troubling. Maybe he assumes that PDJT will be convicted and not be the candidate. Even then, the problem is, I’ll still vote for PDJT if he’s in prison.
A dead cat could have beaten Charlie Crist for crying out loud.
The irony of course is that there was no need for !Yeb! to be the First Big Endorsement of the as yet-even-unannounced DeSantis for Grease Catcher campaign, and yet there it was, February 26, 2023, both 'campaigns' (!Yeb!'s failed campaign crew, and DeSantis' soon-to-fail campaign crew LOFL) having purposefully pre-arranged a Brian Swillmead softballer on FauxSnooze.
The biggest NeverTrumper on the planet (can't include you droop, sorry), was supposed to anoit DeSantis as the "Boosh Airhead Apparent", two months before DeSantis even got up the gumption to actually announce his campaign for Grease Catcher.
The biggest, dumbest, unforced error in recent political history. What did !Yeb!'s announcement gain DeSantis?
ONE day later, the blowback was so brutal, !Yeb! had to walk BACK his endorsement!
"Jeb Bush: ‘I was praising, not endorsing’ DeSantis"
Looks like a pretty sound track record to me. I’ll wait while you find an endorser with a better track record.
Like he did in Congress right? Where he did not accomplish a thing and voted for treaties that yielded American sovereignty.
DeSantis’s past support for Obama’s global trade deal raises questions on policy
Ron DeSantis supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership as a congressman. It’s unclear where he will stand on trade as president.
Sorry. That is just too funny. Do you think we are all going to line up like school kids & pull the lever for the RINO again.
DeSantis is in the teens nationwide and sinking like a stone.
DeSantis will not win the primary if he is still running at that point and could never win the general precisely because such a large number of conservatives will no longer kick the can down the road by picking the lesser of the evils. DeSantis is a lawyer & long term politician. The people who bought him are not the America first cohort. Whatever he says now and whatever high profile crump he throws to social conservatives he would be a GOPe president.
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You, like Drew, are ignoring the obvious. DeSantis doesn’t have a shot at winning the primary.
If the base did not want Trump, DeSantis would have the numbers Trump has. His highest numbers were before he even spoke and have been a steady decline ever since. DeSantis is not an unknown in the primaries. Every conservative media outlet has been selling him to viewers for a year. DeSantis skipped CPAC and other conservative events because………he cannot win.
This isn’t 2016, 2000 or 2008. Trump is NOT an unknown. Trump is not inconsistent in his beliefs or behavior. Everyone knows exactly who Trump is. Politics have been FRONT and CENTER since 2016.
You and others may be very upset that the base prefers Trump but it doesn’t change the facts.
As for name calling etc, both neverTrumpers and everTrumpers are hostile. You using the word ‘cult’ and ‘lord’ puts you in that category as well.
You may not think the ‘won’t vote for anyone but Trump’ numbers are not in the millions - you’re not following the polling. 10% of 60 million is 6 million. The percentage ranges from 10%-14%. Some say 20% but they are outliers. Will it effect the electoral? Probably not, just the popular vote.
The folks that won’t vote if Trump doesn’t win - like it or not, these people exist. They may have never voted before Trump and won’t vote after him. Obama brought many blacks to the polls who never voted before and they didn’t vote again. Trump brought out many new voters as well. Some here voted in the past and are sick of participating in the uniparty system. Fault them all you like but the uniparty is how we got here. Folks that hold their nose while voting for traitors. McCain, Romney, Bush, Mitch, Lindsey, Thune, 200 reps that voted for Ryan and McCarthy - all traitors. And the list is endless. Are you happy supporting that? Are you proud to call yourself a Republican? Does the RNC represent you? Do they share your concerns and are they changing their ways? No, no, no and no. Is DeSantis the answer? No. Neither is Trump. We will lose 2024 regardless because the voting system is not secure or ethical. And before you blame Trump, states handle elections period. State legislatures write the rules period. Where has the RNC been on this subject the last 2 decades?
You can argue that DeSantis isn’t a traitor, a true conservative but Trump supporters see it as DeSantis disregarding what the people clearly want. No ‘debate’ is going to change any Trump supporter’s mind. They already know who and what Trump is, 8 yrs. and counting.
You are absolutely right that not every Trump supporter will sit home. You are absolutely wrong that these Trump supporters are switching to DeSantis over Trump. The numbers are NOT there. You are indirectly saying ‘if Trump dies or is removed from the ballot’, some Trump supporters will back DeSantis (or whoever is left standing). Yes, they will.
…….and those people are traitors. If they kill Trump or remove him from the ballot - a pardon won’t do, an ‘I’m sorry’ won’t do, a ‘let’s just move forward’ won’t do. Most will never participate with government again. Some will want a revolution. When is enough enough?
We did nothing about any crime committed over the past 8 years by both parties. NOTHING. And we are told - ‘just move on’. If they killed your wife, would you move on? Would you shake hands with the enemy and give your support?
If these protesters are on your side, you are the problem.
https://x.com/kliseanderson/status/1690395842585202689?s=46&t=WieTULggn6IQf5ppT3Ah_Q
Forgive me if I failed to bother with every line in your tome.
First, the name-calling. EVERTRUMPERS STARTED IT. PERIOD. They attack personally endlessly, just like yes, their beloved sovereign lord. Too bad I’m reacting. My name “Ever-Trump” is a DIRECT reflection back at the people who endlessly call anyone who even strays a little and criticizes him on one point “Never-Trumpers”. Yes, who started it matters.
And I stated, Trump VOTER.
Yeah, I’m a Trump voter. But I’m not partial to him and definitely not a sycophant.
Do not confuse the 2.
You all like to claim “75 mil Trump voters!” as if they are all Trump devotees who will take their balls and go home, without their man. Nope, sorry, they’re not all the cultists.
Some of us vote for what is available. That includes holding my nose when voting Trump. I do what has to be done. So will many others. Do not conflate Trump voters with Trump devotees. Not the same.
Stop attacking everyone who doesn’t toe the Trump line a “traitor”. It’s disgusting liberal-like cancelling garbage.
Difficult to respond to that because the ‘things’ you are alleging have nothing to do with me or the statements I made. Ex. “75 million votes for Trump does NOT mean they are all devotees”, I specifically stated that as well.
‘Not bothering to read my post’ but responding anyway is not an honest debate.
One thing you did address is that you are willing to vote for who is ‘available’, you are not alone. That has been the case for decades with terrible results.
“Stop attacking anyone who doesn’t toe the Trump line (as traitors)”……..ummmmm it has nothing to do with the ‘Trump line’ and everything to do with ignoring the criminal activities of those who would kill or remove Trump from the ballot. Big difference. It has nothing to do with Trump, it has everything to do with the CRIME.
Interesting post. Food for thought.
for someone who has been around FR as long as you have, you should know better than to accuse me of chicanery or even imply the same.
and I don’t care who was doing it. Such behaviour is atrocious.
Reagan’s 13th commandment ought to be followed as much as possible. drowning out someone with extraneous noise, especially another conservative, is odious.
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