Blue area is the land retaken in the Great Ukie Counter-Offensive.
NATO money, weapons, and training have proven to just encourage the slaughter of more people.
Posted on 08/07/2023 6:20:03 AM PDT by hardspunned
They have NATO equipment and Western training. Some have English-speaking commanders, unusual in the Ukrainian military, and even an American-accented, evangelical chaplain.
“I am never tired, I’m in the Ukrainian marines,” joked Oleksandr, 28, a battalion commander of the 37th Marine Brigade. Sitting down in the shade outside a cottage near the front line, he was determinedly positive. “I think it’s going well.”
Over the past several months, nine Ukrainian brigades, 36,000 troops in all, have received four to six weeks of training in combined arms combat, a synchronized way of fighting that some thought would enable them to spearhead another rout of the Russian military, as in Kharkiv last year.
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1. The person who actually IS running a marathon.
2. The 100-meter sprinter who is losing so badly at the 75-meter mark that he decides his best bet is to pretend he’s actually running a 26-mile race … to delay the inevitable embarrassment of his loss.
If you read the entire article, the NYTs reports pretty dire circumstances in the Uke military. I don’t recall this degree of honesty in previous Uke reporting from these hacks.
We have reached the point where battlefield losses can no longer be brushed away with propaganda.
It’s interesting that the NYT would be reporting this. I haven’t read that propaganda rag in years.
Blue area is the land retaken in the Great Ukie Counter-Offensive.
NATO money, weapons, and training have proven to just encourage the slaughter of more people.
To me it seems that Ukraine has a strategy that is less concerned with regaining territory and more concerned with destroying as much of the Russian army as they can with the least damage to itself in the process. Given the lopsided size of the armies, maybe that is the best strategy.
Mid July these administration PR goons shocked everyone by reporting the staggering Uke losses after a month of counteroffensive.
“July 15, 2023 — Early in the counteroffensive, Ukraine lost as much as 20 percent of its weapons and armor.”
Other than these two instances, it’s been administration rainbows and unicorns from Ukraine from the NYTs.
“”””The best units they have are new recruits with FOUR to SIX WEEKS training, being fed into that meat grinder.””””
I think this was add-on training for these particular troops while later they mention new Brigades getting manned directly from basic training which the American Army tried in 1972.
“Over the past several months, nine Ukrainian brigades, 36,000 troops in all, have received four to six weeks of training in combined arms combat”
That was their plan but the Russian mines and obstacles, prepared over the past ten months, funnel their forces into pre sighted corridors for their horrific massed artillery. The Ukes have thrown everything and everyone that NATO amassed and trained over six months at this layered defense. The Ukes haven’t even assaulted the first line of actual Russians. The Ukes have been mauled just trying to get up to get into position to attack the Russian lines.
If you read the entire article, the NYTs reports pretty dire circumstances in the Uke military. I don’t recall this degree of honesty in previous Uke reporting from these hacks.
The NY Times is signaling that Democrats want another frozen conflict ASAP. They’ve never stopped partnering with Putin on a new Iran nuke deal. Ukraine’s self defense against another Kremlin orchestrated genocide of Ukrainians is getting in the way of Obama’s Iran loving agenda.
And the result is that 17 months later, our enemy, with the #2 military on earth is trying to hold the line with 70-year-old T-54 and T-55 tanks.
Most of the white area on that propaganda map is fascistically claimed by Russia. Why are Russians dying for nothing trying to steal more Ukrainian land?
I don’t agree, these are brand new recruits. But I’ll concede we are only talking an additional 4-6 weeks of initial combined mechanized arms training for the Bradleys and armor NATO supplied to be used in conjunction with these Uke infantrymen. I don’t know what kind of supermen these young Ukes are but for U.S. Army and Marine units it takes YEARS to become proficient in combined arms execution. That also assumes the combined arms necessity of air superiority has been established. It’s just the opposite! As I said, a criminal, sickening, needless slaughter of innocent young Ukrainian boys.
I think post 9 is accurate and as far as all the years it takes for a soldier to learn things, I ran into the same argument about artillery when that was in the news, I was told it takes “years” to train a Ukranian artilleryman.
In the 9th Infantry in 1972, we took artillerymen straight from basic and trained them ourselves and since some were on 2-year enlistments and some had been drafted for 2 years, time was limited for their entire service life.
The Army still has 2-year enlistments.
Being invaded imposes hardships on the fighting population of the nation fighting for its survival, they have to do the best they can.
What’s criminal and sickening is Russia genocidally erasing Ukrainian cities for now over 500 days. What’s criminal and sickening is Democrats refusing to give Ukraine what they need to defeat the Potemkin and fake Russian army. Those 200,000 Russian occupiers would be attacking into areas delusionally claimed by Dear Leader Putin if they were not defending. So it’s simply false to suggest these Ukrainian efforts to deoccupy their land serve no purpose.
In looking things up I just learned that all of the services have in the last couple of decades had 2-year enlistments, it seems the Navy and Army have been very comfortable with the idea while the Air Force and Marines used it less enthusiastically.
No, I think you’re still presuming that their goal is to regain territory. That may be their ultimate goal, but looking at the map, you can see they’ve regained very little ground, yet the estimated casualties and equipment losses are still very lopsided with Russia having almost twice as many of both. Generally, you expect that if you’re on the offensive, your casualties will be 3 times as great as the defender. Even though Ukraine is supposedly on the offensive, its losses are less.
Basically, what they are trying to do, I think, is goad Russia into attacking them by strategically attacking at particular points, then digging in and waiting for the Russian counter attack. You don’t gain much ground doing that, but you do conserve your men and materiel while at the same time drawing your opponent into an offensive posture where it’s easier to inflict losses against your opponent.
If that’s your game, though, then you can’t measure your success or failure by how much ground you’ve gained. You need to judge it by what your losses in men and equipment are.
I’m not talking digging from artillery (what else can you be trained to do when taking artillery fire), but combined arms maneuver. From your postings I assume the NYTs is as authoritative as I can quote on the Uke situation (other than the administration) to you. In their article of 7/15 they describe mines, obstacles and artillery so intense the troops left their burning or about to be burning mechanized vehicles, thinking the mine fields, etc. would be easier to negotiate on foot. That is 4-6 weeks training in combined arms maneuver.
You seem hostile and angry toward me but very concerned for the Ukrainian troops and indifferent to the Russian force’s poor training and losses.
One would almost think you are against the Russians and desire fighting success for the Ukrainians but I don’t think that is really the case is it?
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