Posted on 08/05/2023 7:09:55 AM PDT by marktwain
Hawaii has been one of the states with the most severe infringements on Second Amendment rights. Hawaii became a territory of the United States in 1900. Hawaii became a state in 1959. Hawaii, therefore, has no history of American laws which apply to the test established by the Supreme Court Bruen decision. History after 1900 is not allowed, and Hawaii has no history as an American territory before 1900. This did not stop the government of Hawaii from claiming Hawaii’s history as a kingdom should be used as a precedent for Hawaii’s extremely restrictive gun control laws. The Supreme Court disagreed. In response, the Hawaii government passed a very restrictive carry law. Carry outside of the home, either openly or concealed, requires a permit. The law used the responses of New York and New Jersey as guides and created so many designated “sensitive places” it is nearly impossible for a permit holder to carry a concealed firearm in public legally.
The Hawaii Firearms Coalition responded with a lawsuit. From courtlistener.com:
Plaintiff Hawaii Firearms Coalition (HIFICO) is a member driven organization incorporated under the laws of the State of Hawaii with its principal place of business in Honolulu, Hawaii, Hawaii Firearms Coalition promotes legislative and legal action, as well as research, publishing, and advocacy, in support of people’s civil liberties.
The Bruen Court struck down as unconstitutional New York’s “proper cause” requirement for issuance of a permit to carry a handgun in public.
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SOURCE: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/7.1/Gun-Facts-7.1-screen.pdf, pages 21, 83.
FACT: 98% of mass-shootings occur in gun-free zones
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History after 1900 is not allowed, and Hawaii has no history as an American territory before 1900.
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So, according to Hawaii, Hawaii must be exempted from all provisions of the Constitution then?
The last time I checked Hawaiians voluntarily adopted the Constitution when they voted for statehood. The same would be true of all states which entered after 1791.
Ironic that Hawaiian shirts are used to conceal
Hawaii is a strategic island. No guns would make it an easy target for an invasion.
Hence..
Everyday Is Hawaiian Shirt Day!
Buy weapons and ammo, folks...no matter where you live.
Hawaii is the most over-rated state in the country.
I went there at the end of the 1960s, and my conclusion was, “What the hell was all the hype about?”
Never should have been a State in the first place.
It should return to being a Kingdom.
“It should return to being a Kingdom.”
Well, it sure has the mindset of one. And no haoles need apply.
Well at least we wouldn’t get two Rat Senators out of the deal.
Regarding unconstitutional (imo) state abridgment of constitutionally enumerated protections, please note the following.
Patriots, you need to primary ALL of your beloved incumbent federal lawmakers in 2024 since they are stubbornly refusing to use their 14th Amendment power to make penal laws to discourage renegade states from abridging constitutionally enumerated protections, 2nd Amendment (2A) in this example.
Excerpted from 14A:
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
"Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
In fact, the congressional record shows that Rep. John Bingham, the main author of Section 1, had included the 2A when he read the BoR as main examples of constitutionally enumerated protections that 14A applies to the states.
“See 2nd Amendment (Article II) about middle of 2nd column.” — John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe
Also, the Supreme Court had clarified in Minor v. Happersett that 14A was intended to strengthen constitutionally enumerated protections from abridgment by the states, 2A included.
“3. The right of suffrage was not necessarily one of the privileges or immunities of citizenship before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, and that amendment does not add to these privileges and immunities. It simply furnished an additional guaranty for the protection of such as the citizen already had [emphasis added].” —Minor v. Happersett, 1874.
Career federal lawmakers evidently couldn't care less about your 2A protections.
Well, I guess native indigenous Hawaiins might be banned from gun ownership and just allow non-Hawain Americans to own, possess, and carry guns, openly or concealed. Probably best from a crime perspective anyway.
“Well at least we wouldn’t get two Rat Senators out of the deal.”
That’s a fact.
Perhaps we should demote Hawaii to the status of a territory. It would solve a lot of problems.
Then, of course, there is the ultimate answer: Hawaii is, after all, volcanic. The whole thing could disappear in minutes if the fire gods got restless. Kind of drastic, though; and way too dramatic.
So, according to Hawaii, Hawaii must be exempted from all provisions of the Constitution then?
No, it means the Supreme Court has said, for the Second Amendment, the most important part is what the amendment meant in 1791, when it was ratified. Then, just before 1868, when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, the laws have a small impact in determining what the Second Amendment means. By the time 1900 is reached, laws passed are so far from the ratification they should not be considered in understanding the Second Amendment.
No, it means the Supreme Court has said, for the Second Amendment, the most important part is what the amendment meant in 1791, when it was ratified. Then, just before 1868, when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, the laws have a small impact in determining what the Second Amendment means. By the time 1900 is reached, laws passed are so far from the ratification they should not be considered in understanding the Second Amendment.
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The problem with your assessment is this. In the time frame of 1791 there were reasonable curbs on the 2nd’s blanket statement of “shall not be infringed”. Examples include citizenship and adulthood. These curbs still exist. On the contrary, I challenge you to show me a subsequent AMENDMENT which alters the meaning of the 2nd Amendment in the slightest.
Let them disarm their citizens then when the Chinese decide to invade they can throw pineapples at them.
The black market will provide the criminal element with whatever they want.
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