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To: Golden Eagle
They’re going to have to prove there was at least SOME fraud …

That has already been done.

The somewhat bizarre press conference Rudy Giuliani held in Philadelphia shortly after Election Day in 2020 is worth revisiting. There was clear, irrefutable evidence of election fraud presented there.

It’s helpful to know how the Pennsylvania mail-in ballot process worked. The steps in the process were as follows:

1. The registered voter submits a request for a ballot.
2. A ballot is mailed to the voter.
3. The voter mails the completed ballot back.
4. The election office receives the ballot.

What’s critical here is that the exact dates of Steps #1, #2 and #4 are documented in the state election records.

When Giuliani was speaking at that press conference, he rattled off the names of several Pennsylvania voters who had ballots cast in their names even though they had died before Step #1. The most notable of these names was the late boxing legend Larry Holmes — who had died TEN YEARS EARLIER.

The value of these particular cases isn’t to support a claim that the number of dead voters in Pennsylvania would have made a difference in the state’s results. It’s to demonstrate that the state’s election integrity and security processes were so shoddy (at best) and open to fraud (at worst) that there could have been literally millions of fraudulent ballots cast.

28 posted on 08/04/2023 6:35:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: Alberta's Child
The value of these particular cases isn’t to support a claim that the number of dead voters in Pennsylvania would have made a difference in the state’s results. It’s to demonstrate that the state’s election integrity and security processes were so shoddy (at best) and open to fraud (at worst) that there could have been literally millions of fraudulent ballots cast.

I agree that it was completely ridiculous how states were allowed to break away from their well established laws, in how to process elections. Those that broke those laws should have been held accountable, but very few were. And, more to your point, this certainly COULD have led to widespread voter fraud. But again as you said, Giuliani could only cite a few actual examples of this leading to fraud. The question then becomes, how does that quantity in 2020, compare to just the normal amount of fraud that occurs in ANY election, does it not?

From what I understand, trying to quantify this number is exactly what Mark Meadows son was investigating in Georgia. As you said Rudy had done in PA, they found evidence of minor fraud, here and there, but supposedly none more than in any typical election. Meadows himself reported this to Trump, it is alleged. According to Meadows own chief of staff, this may have been the moment, or one of the moments when Trump said something along the lines of we can't let this get out.

I was obviously not there, and that may not be a perfect rendition of the facts. But the case is probably going to revolve around, had Trump been given any sort of quantifiable, provable evidence that the election had been stolen, or, had he instead been given more evidence that there was no more fraud than usual. But, that he went ahead with the fraud story, and the events of J6, for pride, at best.

I sincerely hope that's not all it was, for all of our sakes. But over the last 2.5 years, I have gone from being 100% convinced the election was stolen, to now being down closer to 60-40. So I want that evidence. And I think WE, not just Trump at this point, NEED that evidence.

32 posted on 08/04/2023 6:57:46 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Ultra Conservative)
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To: Alberta's Child

I will never be convinced that the election was fair until the following is answered:

1. Why all the swing states stopped counting at the same time and who made the call?

2. That I didn’t see, on tape,the people in Fulton County send home GOP election workers and take ballots out from under tables and run them through over 3 times.

3. Vote totals changing in the wee hours in swing states with taped evidence of ballots being delivered in places like Detroit. In PA testimony of a truck driver that drove millions of ballots from New Jersey to PA in the earl morning hours on January 7.

To name a few….


36 posted on 08/04/2023 7:20:29 AM PDT by lone star annie ( )
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