I agree that it was completely ridiculous how states were allowed to break away from their well established laws, in how to process elections. Those that broke those laws should have been held accountable, but very few were. And, more to your point, this certainly COULD have led to widespread voter fraud. But again as you said, Giuliani could only cite a few actual examples of this leading to fraud. The question then becomes, how does that quantity in 2020, compare to just the normal amount of fraud that occurs in ANY election, does it not?
From what I understand, trying to quantify this number is exactly what Mark Meadows son was investigating in Georgia. As you said Rudy had done in PA, they found evidence of minor fraud, here and there, but supposedly none more than in any typical election. Meadows himself reported this to Trump, it is alleged. According to Meadows own chief of staff, this may have been the moment, or one of the moments when Trump said something along the lines of we can't let this get out.
I was obviously not there, and that may not be a perfect rendition of the facts. But the case is probably going to revolve around, had Trump been given any sort of quantifiable, provable evidence that the election had been stolen, or, had he instead been given more evidence that there was no more fraud than usual. But, that he went ahead with the fraud story, and the events of J6, for pride, at best.
I sincerely hope that's not all it was, for all of our sakes. But over the last 2.5 years, I have gone from being 100% convinced the election was stolen, to now being down closer to 60-40. So I want that evidence. And I think WE, not just Trump at this point, NEED that evidence.
And that’s only because those are the people who were DECEASED before Step #1 in the Pennsylvania election process. If they were comatose, living in nursing homes, completely disinterested in politics, or even if they died AFTER Step #1, there’s no way to prove any fraud unless someone comes right out and admits to a crime.
Between the Pennsylvania examples and the “2000 Mules” narrative, I’d say there is more than sufficient evidence to support a claim that a person could reasonably believe there was rampant, widespread ballot fraud in 2020.
It’s worth noting how many so-called “conspiracy theories” over the last few years related to the Russia hoax, COVID, Ukraine, etc. have turned out to be completely true. In fact, this has happened with such boring regularity that even the most outlandish “conspiracy theory” should never be dismissed out of hand.
Problem is: most of, if not all of the evidence has been destroyed by now. There were many articles posted here on FR about exactly that - audit trails being deleted, records cleared on the tabulation machines, etc. There were lawsuits presented trying to force preservation of the information for ongoing litigation, which ultimately failed as well.
Just look at how hard the media and dems are hammering on anyone who dares speak anything counter to the narrative. Look at what they project onto their political rivals. That tells you all you need to know.
Sure, you may not be able to prove it, but that’s because the evidence you need to “prove it” has been destroyed or confounded.