Posted on 07/30/2023 11:01:39 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
Ford Motor recently announced it is slashing prices on its F-150 Lightning, an electric vehicle the company rolled out in 2021.
The Lightning now carries a suggested retail price of $49,995, about $10,000 lower than its previous recommended price tag ($59,974), a reduction the company says is possible because of lower “battery raw material costs and continued work on scaling production and cost.”
It’s certainly possible that reduced overhead from battery minerals and production costs played a role in Ford’s decision to trim its price tag by nearly 20 percent, but that may be only half the story.
Several reports show EVs are not exactly flying off dealership lots. In fact, there’s a glut of them.
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hybrid batteries are the same and the risks are the same.
These lithium batteries are causing fires from electric scooters, bicycles, skateboards etc.
https://apnews.com/article/ebike-fires-lithium-ion-batteries-b5ab9acf9ca317a1b5b917097ac5210d
I have never seen a good cost breakdown of electric”
And you probably never will. Many costs are kept on the down low. Just to name two, tires last maybe half as long because of the weight, insurance will go way up because what would usually be a fender bender becomes a totaled car because most of underbody is battery and it gets damaged it’s often game over plus the fire hazard.
Hybrids are absolutely the best route, and will likely be the first to be sacrificed as they go full monte to compulsory EV.
The primary problem remains: The batteries.
My parents had a Nissan hybrid for about 4 years. The batteries got so hot it was not pleasant to sit in the rear seat. That translates to shorter life. They traded in on a Camry hybrid. I’m much more impressed with that product, but the jury’s still out.
I’ve been driving a Toyota Rav hybrid off & on for a couple years related to work. Awesome vehicle, but I remain dubious on the batteries...
“I never had a “fling” with an EV. That would be like having a fling with a transgender.”
Sometimes it’s just in the mind. Imagine, if you will, getting intimate with a hot-looking vehicle. The vehicle unzips its carpeting behind the console, and you see a bank of Lithium-Cobalt Batteries.
Do you SCREAM and maybe even kill the vehicle? What would the CHIPs think of that.
One must be VERY CAREFUL in the above situation, regardless of what drove that level of deceit, as felony charges are NOT out of the question.
2023 Toyota Corolla Hybrid (they get 60 miles per gallon)
LE FWD (Natl)
New
10 Miles
MSRP
$24,145
At AutoNation Toyota Fort Myers
Does the weight damage secondary roads?
Designs are more stable compared to total crappola of time when Tesla paid back its loan — since then they have only gotten more marketing.
Tech is crappola. Total garbage. Useful only in metro centers where they can be driven tens of miles and then charged.
Hybrids are OK, just barely. The enviro waste of the batteries will not come out sooner than the years it has taken to reveal that solar panels and wind turbines are total enviro disasters.
A package of scan designs by the same total creeps that gave us Solyndra and Tx turbines that can’t handle snow.
Probably, they make up less than 1% of cars the moment imagine the Impact of 20-30%
Where I live I can drive three hours to a drs appointment and return home in the same day. With range limitations of an electric car that becomes at least, an overnight trip.
Finding a working charging station away from home is a random risk issue. I would be subject to availability of a functioning and available station sometimes changing my route significantly to find that unicorn.
Damage to roads is proportional to vehicle weight. The answer is, yes.
Probably, they make up less than 1% of cars the moment imagine the Impact of 20-30%
I have never seen a good cost breakdown of electric vs. gas powered cars.
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Yes, they are skewing the numbers so the EV looks better.
For example the mpge - miles per gallon equivalent defines electricity as the thermal equivalents of burning gallon of fuel. That ignores that electricity has to be make somewhere and making electricity is not 100% efficient.
Since electricity generation is actually 30% - 40% effective on average, then the real mpge is about third of the listed number. So the impressive 100 MPGe really translates too about 30mpg. Not so impressive.
In terms of cost EV are cheaper mostly because the prices of gas (penalized by many taxes and cartel surcharges) and electricity (subsidized) are different.
I’ll take “because they suck and spontaneously combust” for $50, Alex.
Nobody wants them? Duh......
I don't have time to sit around waiting for an EV to charge during a moderately heavy day of travel.
I don't have time to go out of my way to find a charging station with a convenient charge time.
With gas, I pull into a station, fill up, and am good to go in 5 minutes. Plus I don't have to search for a filling station.
“Even $30,000 is within my means, it is still a little north of my comfort level.”
Other thoughts. Anything new is going to have a lot of things that will break and probably be expensive to repair or in few years, impossible to repair. A woman came into Oreily’s. Her smile was a rictus of frustration and anger. (I retreated out of range.) The collision alarm in her 2016 Passport was going off continuously and she’d tried all the fixes in the manual and off the internet. Oreily’s did some research and the list of things that might be the cause was long and expensive. (Taking a car to a dealership means around $150 per hour for labor plus a diagnosis fee. A former service writer at the local VW dealership said they were required to get $1500 out of everyone who brought a car in. It required lying and he quit.) Imagine when features like lane maintenance devices malfunction. The car won’t be drivable. I had trouble fixing even mundane things on cars ten to fifteen years old as the parts are nonfunctional out of the box or not available.
I’m currently searching for a used luxury station wagon from the late nineties as they were bought by old men and lightly used. Or a truck built before 2010 but with under 100k on the clock. I’ve had my last “new” car as I ended up spending thousands fixing the six-speed transmission twice.
The only way these get sold is when (not *if*) they outlaw the ICE for non-transport vehicles.
These vehicles are documented to flame themselves and end their own lives. That is my story and I am sticking with it.
I can do ALOT of maintenance on my 1976 1 ton dually 4 speed Chevy truck &
MY 1979 Buick station wagon for $30,000 to $50,000 & UP.
Complete NEW build 454 engine in truck cost me $6700-—and it was built by a racing engine builder. Truck chassis has over 348,000 miles on it.
SWITCH #5 & #1
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