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Pentagon says conditions for transferring F-16s to Ukraine "not ideal" right now
Ukrainska Pravda via Yahoo ^ | July 15th, 2023 | Ukrainska Pravda

Posted on 07/15/2023 9:28:39 AM PDT by Mariner

The US believes that Russia's current air defence and air force capabilities create "not ideal conditions" for supplying Ukraine with US-made F-16 fighter jets at this time.

Source: Lieutenant General Douglas Sims, Director of Operations of the US Joint Staff, at a briefing on Thursday, quoted by European Pravda

Details: The representative of the US Department of Defence has noted that the conditions under which combat operations take place change over time, "but the conditions right now for the employment of the F-16s are probably not ideal".

Quote: "I mean, the Russians still possess some air defense capability. They have air capability. And the number of F-16s that would be provided may not be perfect for what's going on right now."

Details: At the same time, Sims added that since the future will change, "that certainly will dictate how that is employed".

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Surely the Ukrainians can see the writing on the wall?

They better be cutting a deal with Russia soon before they find themselves standing alone.

1 posted on 07/15/2023 9:28:39 AM PDT by Mariner
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>>They better be cutting a deal with Russia soon before they find themselves standing alone.<<

pedo joe and zelensky will be rolling in US Taxpayer $ though.


2 posted on 07/15/2023 9:30:01 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Difference between a cow and the US Capitol 1/6 "riot:" you can only milk a cow 3 times a day)
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To: Mariner

Maybe there are still a few patriots in the Pentagon who know the F-16’s will be destroyed or end up in the Russians hands.


3 posted on 07/15/2023 9:32:07 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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They better be cutting a deal with Russia soon before they find themselves standing alone

If history teaches us anything, the same politicians who support Ukraine will eventually turn their backs on them.

4 posted on 07/15/2023 9:33:59 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Mariner

Its why they haven’t sent Abrams tanks either, although promised - they are extremely complex to maintain and operate, and are not “stand-alone” weapons

also, Washington DC doesn’t want videos of destroyed Abrams and F-16s appearing on social media from day one of their use.


5 posted on 07/15/2023 9:35:26 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Mariner

Reportedly, Zelensky’s been told they have until November to make significant gains. Moving towards Crimea is suicide, so they’ll probably try the east or the very west point to attack at.

Also, it seems the grain deal will not be renewed, so you’ll see skirmishes in the Black Sea again.


6 posted on 07/15/2023 9:39:34 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Mariner

It would take Pentagon 6 months to authorize F 16’s for our forces.if


7 posted on 07/15/2023 9:40:08 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Mariner

They can’t cut any deals because they are owned by the CIA. The picture of Zelensky at the NATO summit says it all. The Biden is done with him. If he has any sense at all he will be defecting to Russia any day now. He is watching the menu very closely. Probably unless he runs away under cover of darkness, Zelensky will be the star of a state funeral in the next couple of months. Greed is a powerful motivator though so he might be tempted to wait too long thinking his lottery ticket will pay off.


8 posted on 07/15/2023 9:43:42 AM PDT by webheart
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To: Mariner

I notice that the Pray for (the dead of) Ukraine threads are no longer appearing daily. UMCrevmo must not be receiving that daily payment anymore.


9 posted on 07/15/2023 9:46:31 AM PDT by webheart
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“ If history teaches us anything, the same politicians who support Ukraine will eventually turn their backs on them. ”
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Yep. It’s already starting if the obvious “ignoring” actions at the NATO conference are an indicative signal.


10 posted on 07/15/2023 9:46:41 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: Jeff Chandler
--- "If history teaches us anything, the same politicians who support Ukraine will eventually turn their backs on them."

Agree. The Bay of Pigs adventure was small and ended poorly. This giant "Display of Swine" is huge, but will very likely end like Afghanistan. Or Vietnam, Or Libya. Or Iraq. Or Sudan. Or....

11 posted on 07/15/2023 9:54:49 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: gibsonguy

Why F-16s? Why Not F-22s or F-35? If your going to fight a war—send your best.


12 posted on 07/15/2023 9:59:23 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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“The US believes that Russia’s current air defence and air force capabilities create “not ideal conditions” for supplying Ukraine with US-made F-16 fighter jets at this time.”

In other words, countries around the world seeing our fighters being shot down is bad for business.


13 posted on 07/15/2023 10:05:21 AM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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--- "...countries around the world seeing our fighters being shot down is bad for business."

Well observed.

14 posted on 07/15/2023 10:08:08 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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So part of our war planning requires that battlefield conditions be “ideal”?

I do agree with the General that sending F-16s to Ukraine would be a very expensive, fatal ( to pilots and to the reputation of the F-16 fighter) ) escalation of a predictably fruitless effort to bolster Ukraine’s ground force insufficiency with yet another wunderwaffen.

Not to mention Russian statements that they will consider these aircraft as a nuclear delivery threat.

It’s embarrassing to watch him tap dance.

Our stupid Congress seems to think this is DESERT STORM redux.
Russian EW and AD is not Iraqi.


15 posted on 07/15/2023 10:13:42 AM PDT by silverleaf (It's not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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Russian EW and AD is not Iraqi.

never fear, a armchair warrior will be along to scold you.

Russia is weak. Trans Rainbow warriors will defeat Putin !

Hate to be the lead F-16 on their 1st FAFO mission.


16 posted on 07/15/2023 10:18:13 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Because presumably Uke pilots must be trained to fly them, and to transition seasoned fighter pilots from the MiG29. Going 4th gen in a short window of time is not realistic.

Plus there could be private concerns that our best and newest ( which we are marketing to other countries) could perform……not as well as advertised in this environment when Russians hold back nothing.


17 posted on 07/15/2023 10:19:44 AM PDT by silverleaf (It's not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: webheart
The picture of Zelensky at the NATO summit says it all. That's his wife in blue.

If he has any sense at all he will be defecting to Russia any day now.

18 posted on 07/15/2023 10:20:58 AM PDT by Liz (Vox Populi, Vox Dei (voice of the people is the voice of God))
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“The US believes that Russia’s current air defence and air force capabilities create
“not ideal conditions” for supplying Ukraine with US-made F-16 fighter jets at this time.”

IOW, US arms-purchasing countries around the world .......
seeing our fighters being shot down in half-baked Ukraine ......
is bad for the arms business.

Nice insight.

19 posted on 07/15/2023 10:33:30 AM PDT by Liz (Vox Populi, Vox Dei (voice of the people is the voice of God))
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To: webheart

“I notice that the Pray for (the dead of) Ukraine threads are no longer appearing daily. UMCrevmo must not be receiving that daily payment anymore.”

Don’t forget that the Operatives were prohibited from taking part in social media by the Courts (well, for 10 days), so that may be part of why there are less Ukrainian Cheerleaders active. But they’ll be back, thanks to the IDIOTS in the 5th Circuit.


20 posted on 07/15/2023 10:39:21 AM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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