[rfp1234]

Zelvis can speed up entry into NATO, but only by ceding the eastern provinces to Russia.

Ukraine has basically turned into a giant money-Laundromat masquerading as a country.

It can try to recover by restarting as a smaller state.
As long as they can continue to use what remains to enrich themselves, neocons will reluctantly go along with that.

[Alberta's Child]

I suspect one reason why NATO doesn’t want Ukraine right now is that other NATO countries (Poland and Romania, I believe) have claims on parts of Ukraine’s territory.

By the time this fiasco is over, Ukraine might be admitted to NATO after its land mass has been reduced to the size of a former Yugoslav republic.

[struggle]

>It can try to recover by restarting as a smaller state.
As long as they can continue to use what remains to enrich themselves, neocons will reluctantly go along with that.

They probably could get away with everything south and east of the Dnieper now, because that’s all Russia really wants. But Russia is also going to want a buffer state with no NATO presence, period.

Also, NATO’s been defanged except for airplanes, so who care, right?

[Sacajaweau]

cede those two areas, stop the war...and then they may become a member of nato...