Can't have a democratic solution to the proxy war, can we? 
Posted on 06/26/2023 9:26:40 PM PDT by Cronos
As a two-mile-long convoy of military mutineers neared Moscow Saturday, a Russian presidential plane took off from the capital at 2:15 p.m. local time. It flew in the direction of President Putin’s native St. Petersburg until disappearing from radar at 3:06 p.m., according to Flight Radar.
“Putin is working at the Kremlin,” spokesman Dmitry Peskov.
A Russian air force attack on the mutineers was a fiasco. Soldiers from the Wagner mercenary group shot down six helicopters and one Ilyushin IL-18 airborne command center. The combined shootdowns killed 30 Russian airmen. Debris from one falling helicopter set ablaze the oil depot of Voronezh.
“There has not been such a tragedy in the history of our aviation for a long time,” a Russian TV presenter, Vladimir Solovyov, lamented Saturday night. “How many aircraft have we lost today? What is this?”
In Voronezh, the “Wagnerites” took control of local military facilities. the 277th Parachute Regiment switched sides.
“I ask everyone to get out of our way,” Prigozhin boomed
...Normally, Moscow would have been protected by the 4th Guards Tank Division, a unit set up by Stalin to guard the capital against western invaders. Before Putin’s attack on Ukraine last year, this unit had about 225 tanks and 300 armored personnel carriers. They suffered 80 percent losses in the Ukraine war, largely in Kharkiv and Luhansk. The British Defense Ministry has estimated it will take years to rebuild the division.
To defend the Moscow region without tanks, local authorities blocked highways with school buses and dump trucks, and started to dig up asphalt with excavators. Bridges over the Oka River were blockaded. Inside Moscow, more blockades were erected and Mayor Sergei Sobyanin imposed a “counter-terrorist regime.” Panic spread among some residents and all air tickets out of Moscow were sold out by Saturday night,
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Yeah, I have a problem with your statement because you were wrong as usual.
You are so in the tank for Biden and the neocons and you want to believe there is something noble about your cause.
But there isn’t.
“I don’t have multi-year ‘gaps’ in my posting history, Toddler.”
Do you mean under your current screen name?
You’ve boasted here on FR about being one of the original FReepers from the late 1990s, but under a different screen name; and, you resurfaced in 2002, under your current one.
What was your screen name from the 1990s?
How can you hold national elections when a good chunk of your country is under foreign occupation? It wouldn’t be a national election. It would be like holding a national election here in the US, but without Texas participating because Mexico has occupied it and claimed it. If you go ahead and hold the election anyway, you are tacitly accepting that Texas is no longer part of the US.
My real name.
Of course, a vile neocon like you would want to doxx your enemies on FR.
Par for the course.
Go back to sleep, Sparky.
Can't have a democratic solution to the proxy war, can we?
Nice try, son. If we knew your “original” screen name we could simply look up the posting history of that name. That way, we could determine if there were any “gaps” in your posting history (which is something that gives you the fantods if another FReeper had any gaps in THEIR posting history).
And, what sort of doofus would use their own name on a public forum where he or she posts vitriol and slanders on a regular basis?
As for doxxing, that is the practice of YOUR side, kid. Several FReepers have been threatened with doxxing, myself included. Is that why you were temporarily suspended not too long ago? You threatened to doxx someone?
That makes you no better than a Democrat or a Lefty - or a Commie.
We're done here, Sparky. Yap all you want, you're not going to get to destroy anyone's life today, CommieBoy.
“As I said, Sparky - you want to doxx fellow freepers, regardless of their lives possibly being destroyed by that doxxing.”
Nice try, kid. I’ve never doxxed anyone in my life.
You are so typical of the left, or of other insecure creatures who see bogeymen in every shadow. And, like them, you assume facts not in evidence, jump to conclusions, and rush to judgment.
On a parting note, I have noticed that many of your posts devolve into sexual innuendo and scatological allusions, when the topic at hand involves nothing of the sort.
That is more the behavior of an eleven-year-old boy or someone with some serious social issues than a mature adult.
“Yap all you want, you’re not going to get to destroy anyone’s life today.”
You do that to yourself, kid; all on your own.
Don't post to me any longer.
“Please cease and desist. Don’t post to me any longer.”
No problem. You’re not worth it, anyway. But, if you post to me, I will respond. So, don’t post to me.
Well that's a first...somebody finally shut you up!
BTW - I took pity on the old fool. ;-)
Very rich of you to say I’m a neocon. :)
To that comment of yours let me say : Look who’s talking!
>>>>>>>>
Indeed you are mistaken.
Here is why:
You don’t seem to realize that YOU are the one supporting the Russian version of “neo-conservatism”. “Neocon” means warmongering to me. To you too right?
Because that’s the reason why you never denounce Russia’s warmongering! Its illegal invasions! Its unilateral annexations of sovereign countries! Its menacing tone of nuking the West regularly on live Russian TV and directly from the Kremlin! Etc.. etc...
What about your Dmitry Medvedev who is regularly menacing the West with morbid psychopathic annihilation ideas!?
This guy and many other Kremlinists are behaving like lunatic maniacs.
You blindly approve all the above because Russia according to you can do ANYTHING it wants!
To YOU, Ukrainians are “Nazis” because they dare to defend their homes and families from your Russian deaths squads!
So yes indeed, that makes YOU a Russian variant of a ultra-neocon! Let that sink in for a minute.
I’m waiting for YOU, to openly denounce Russia’s aggressions, invasions, annexations and culture of death.
As long as you refuse to do THAT, you will remain a russian version of a neocon here on FR.
Admit that what I just said is fair. Right?
Careful. The same is true and then some for Russia supporting accounts.
Living in glass houses and throwing stones does not mix.
It was delicious.
Do you run this place?
I didn’t think so.
Those areas had their election last fall. Those elections won’t be reversed until NATO physically takes those areas back. Of course, who would care after the world war started by such a reckless attempt? Bottom line, Zelensky outlawed elections in the areas that now constitute Ukraine. I would expect the US administration and its stooges to approve and to give Zelensky cover with this bogus line.
You and I don’t run this place.
At least we agree on something. Wonderful.
But when you treat anyone who doesn’t support your pro-russia invader stance of being a “Neocon” or “tanking for Biden” prepare yourself to get enthusiastic non-approving responses.
What I find fascinating is that you nickname people as “warmongers” if they support the defense of a country which is a victim of a deadly military Russian INVASION!
Who are the warmongers and invaders here? Its Russia.
There are about 300.000 Russian invaders within Ukraine’s borders right now. But you say Ukrainians are the ones warmongering because they dare defending their homes!? Wow.
But I get it now. You still avoid / refuse to condemn the Russian warmongering military invasion and annexation of a sovereign nation. True, it is your right. But that also makes you a Russian alt-Neocon, that’s the irony of it all.
“Those areas had their election last fall.”
Those were not national elections, which is what you implied. Remember, your comment was, “Maybe in your woke, pervo globalist stooge world you don’t hold elections in the 90% of your country where there are no invaders.” That implies you were referring to national, or nation-wide elections.
When he entered Rostov, and then Voronezh, the army groups not only did NOT resist him, but divisions joined him.
It was Russian military entering a Russian city.
A division is 10 to 15 thousand troops. Not only did no division join him, but the entire force that went on the road trip, including Oddball giving positive vibes, was only about a 1,000 to 1,500 men. They did not have a big enough force to subdue certain bad neighborhoods in Chiraq or NYC. And just their bad luck, the Chechen forces showed up to give them directions to the hospitality suite waiting for them.
Now the question is - would that have been enough?
Would the force have been enough for what? What do 1,000 to 1,500 or so men do when they get to an urban area of 18M people and 2,000 square miles? Ask for directions? At 120k out, they did an about face and went wee wee wee all the way home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PyQnjeJXtM&ab_channel=HistoryLegends
The Truth About Wagner's March on Moscow (Youtube)
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