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Careful what you wish for in post-mutiny Russia
Asia Times ^

Posted on 06/26/2023 3:46:38 AM PDT by FarCenter

Regime change in Russia has been a key objective of the globalist wing of American foreign policy since the 2014 Maidan coup, executed under the instructions of then-assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland, now the US State Department’s undersecretary for policy. President Joe Biden embraced the demand for regime change on March 26, 2022, declaring that Putin “cannot remain in power” after the February 24 invasion of Ukraine.

The Wagner Group mutiny over this weekend elicited a storm of editorial and social media comments to the effect that the Russian president might be deposed after all. After Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin took the deal proposed by Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko, called off his march on Moscow and decamped to Moscow’s closest ally, Putin was still in place.

But the political sands have shifted toward Russia’s ultra-nationalist right, raising grave strategic risks including a higher probability of the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

Russia has been shifting towards a nasty form of nationalism since Maidan, which Nuland and her colleagues saw as a prelude to the overthrow of Putin. The American-sponsored coup against the elected president Viktor Yanukovych threatened Russia’s tenure in Crimea, home of its Black Sea fleet, and prompted Russia’s annexation of the peninsula, which has been Russian territory since the rule of Catherine the Great.

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The ultra-nationalist “Great Russia” current in Moscow thinks Putin is soft on the West. Putin petitioned then-president Bill Clinton in 2000 for Russia to join NATO, and was refused; he obtained a pledge from Washington not to intervene in Ukraine, which the Bush administration violated when it sponsored the 2004 Orange Revolution.

And he struck a deal with former German chancellor Angela Merkel to guarantee the safety and rights of Ukraine’s Russophone minority through the Minsk II agreement, which Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky repudiated in 2022 with Anglo-American backing.

The Prigozhin mutiny now makes Putin dependent on Russia’s extreme right. If he is overthrown, his successor will not be a liberal democrat of the sort that Washington dreams about, but rather a Russian nationalist bent on absolute victory in Ukraine, likely even if it requires the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

There is no liberal current of importance in Russia. But the ruling Russian elite is gestating a powerful group of right-wing nationalists, who dream of a revived “Great Russia.” Ominously, this current is coalescing from several disparate groups.

It includes Liberal-Democratic Party leader Leonid Slutsky, the “Eurasianist” philosopher Alexander Dugin, the popular TV anchors Vladimir Solovyev and Dimitri Dibrov, Chechen leader Kadyrov, the Moscow Patriarchate’s television channel SPAS and the neo-Czarist Union of the Russian people.

It also includes former Russian flag officers forcibly retired by Putin and Wagner boss Prigozhin, who have grumbled about Putin’s military timidity and the poor performance of his hand-picked commanders. What holds together this motley coalition is one idea, that Russia must defeat Ukraine at any price, and that the war can only end with victory at the western borders of the former Soviet Union.

The potential the use of Russia’s 2,000 tactical nuclear weapons, which start at 1 kiloton, is not a matter of mere media speculation. The most prominent mouthpieces of “Great Russia” nationalism are demanding their deployment.

The ultra-nationalist hydra has many heads but one has a louder voice than the others, the self-described “red Nazi” Dugin. In a viral March 2023 post on Telegram, Dugin demanded a general mobilization of all Russian military manpower, militarization of the economy, internment of war opponents and the use of tactical nuclear weapons if other measures do not succeed.

Dugin suggested “doing everything” to avoid the use of “non-strategic nuclear weapons” but using them if necessary. Russia should also “be ready to use strategic nuclear weapons,” Dugin declared. Dugin’s daughter died in August 2022 when a bomb destroyed the car that she was traveling in, which was possibly meant for Dugin himself.

A self-proclaimed disciple of Nazi philosopher Martin Heidegger, Dugin has denounced Putin for putting the Russian polity ahead of the “Russky Mir,” or Russianness. “He puts the Russian state first, while I think from Russky Mir. This Russian world is much wider than the Russian state. Putin desecrates Russian identity, and in doing so, he has disappointed many patriots,” the ideologue told a Dutch newspaper in 2018.


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KEYWORDS: nuland; russia; ukrainewar
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1 posted on 06/26/2023 3:46:38 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter
Lindsey Graham may get his cherished regime change, but not in the country he expected.

2 posted on 06/26/2023 4:00:07 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: FarCenter

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3 posted on 06/26/2023 4:24:50 AM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: FarCenter

“...Regime change in Russia has been a key objective of the globalist wing of American foreign policy...”

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What we need here is a regime change in the US.


4 posted on 06/26/2023 4:26:04 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Did you notice that no one seemed to have a problem replacing Putin and what stability the Russian government offered with the maelstrom of having this hired killer battling every other group in Russia for control? Was this alleged war criminal the peacemaker we’ve been praying for?


5 posted on 06/26/2023 4:29:42 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: FarCenter

The Ultra Nationalist “Great Russia” also includes the Russian paleo left (Neo Soviets and Communist Party Russian Federation).


6 posted on 06/26/2023 4:30:21 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinions)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

They also want to dispose Xi Jinping in China.


7 posted on 06/26/2023 4:31:30 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinions)
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To: FarCenter

De-nazification and De-militarization works for me.


8 posted on 06/26/2023 4:35:50 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: FarCenter

So, the assumption is that post-Putin Russia will still be a dictatorship of one stripe or another?


9 posted on 06/26/2023 4:38:43 AM PDT by Flag_This
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To: Thunder90

All the Putin-Jugen should have joined the fight in Ukraine long ago. The rest are drunken frauds and lunatics.


10 posted on 06/26/2023 4:38:48 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: FarCenter

As I’ve been saying, if Putin is done away with, the Ukraine War ends quickly, but so a number of major cities.


11 posted on 06/26/2023 4:39:34 AM PDT by BobL
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To: FarCenter

They want perverts and pride parades in Moscow.

That is why we are at war.


12 posted on 06/26/2023 4:43:31 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie. )
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To: Flag_This

Most Western commentary seem to forget (or ignore) that Putin is rather moderate as far as Russian politicians go.

The idea that his replacement would be a Western-style liberal as desired by America/Europe is a pipe dream.


13 posted on 06/26/2023 4:54:18 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: FarCenter

“A self-proclaimed disciple of Nazi philosopher Martin Heidegger”

This line is a spectacularly dishonest smear.

It’s like calling someone a nazi because they are a vegetarian like Hitler was.


14 posted on 06/26/2023 4:56:30 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: stinkerpot65

Yep, here’s one of our freaks in power admitting it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI4QDm5G-pE&t=420s

“A democratic Russia” aka “our democracy”. Check out his bio and career and see how it matches up with everything that’s been happening in Eastern Europe, - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damon_Wilson#Career

Damon Wilson lives in DC with his husband.


15 posted on 06/26/2023 5:04:08 AM PDT by Pollard ( >>> The Great Rest is already underway! <<<)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Getting rid of the Kaiser solved all our problems with Germany, didn’t it?


16 posted on 06/26/2023 5:06:09 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Just like shipping Lenin on a train back to Russia solved our problems with the Russian Tsars.

/for a given level of “solved”


17 posted on 06/26/2023 5:08:09 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: FarCenter
Mass murderer, war criminal 'Victoria Nuland', now the US State Department's undersecretary for policy for Biden.

Nuland and Pratt during the Maidan 2014

Ukraine Bio-Labs points right at Nuland


18 posted on 06/26/2023 5:10:00 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: caww

She needs to be hung!


19 posted on 06/26/2023 5:18:16 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: dfwgator

“Getting rid of the Kaiser solved all our problems with Germany, didn’t it?”

A very good but inaccurate parallel.

The Kaiser had imperialistic goals of expanding the German empire. He lost, the empire crumbled and Germany was reduced to a rump state.

The fascist came along with visions and promises of restoring German prestige and reclaiming the empire. A madman seeking revenge for the losses of the Kaiser’s war.

In the same way Putin has attacked and conqured his neighbors promising to restore the Soviet empire and prestige. Instead he presides over the further fracturing of the Russian Federation and Russia’s prestige.

This is the parallel.


20 posted on 06/26/2023 5:20:48 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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