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The beginning of the end? The West is forcing Vlad to take off the gloves. The Wagner mercenaries uprising against the Russian military leadership insures Mercenaries usage will be curtailed, if not eliminated….putting further pressure on Vlad….

Now we may just witness complete mobilization of the Russian military to fill the Wagner hole.

1 posted on 06/24/2023 10:01:13 AM PDT by delta7
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* do not confuse an uprising against the military leadership with Vlads leadership.


2 posted on 06/24/2023 10:02:46 AM PDT by delta7
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Putin is not so stupid as to expand the war beyond Ukraine as that would end him.

However he is not beyond using tactical nukes in Kiev if Ukraine threatens Russian territory.


3 posted on 06/24/2023 10:04:49 AM PDT by KingofZion
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>Now we may just witness complete mobilization of the Russian military to fill the Wagner hole.

This is why the Wagner hole was created - Russians will allow mobilization because the fear of civil war is much greater than the fear of NATO.


4 posted on 06/24/2023 10:05:25 AM PDT by struggle
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Likely, it is the beginning of the end of Putin's adventure in Ukraine.

The Wagner insurrection makes it difficult to keep it all together when the Army has been stalled in or on the Ukrainian border for 16 months.

5 posted on 06/24/2023 10:05:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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WW III starts this weekend.


6 posted on 06/24/2023 10:05:51 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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At least during the Soviet era Russian leaders understood the concept of MAD.


7 posted on 06/24/2023 10:07:49 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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This should come as no surprise to anyone. I have said since day one of this that if it were me and someone was supplying my enemy with armaments, they, too would be my enemy.


8 posted on 06/24/2023 10:07:55 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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Putin could not win a war with a relatively poor and militarily weak country on his doorstep, to he is going to up the ante by engaging the U.S. and Britain. Even Putin is not that insane.


9 posted on 06/24/2023 10:09:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (If Kitty Genovese had a gun, she’d be in jail today.)
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Wars are peculiar things. They teach us in school that this-or-that war began on X date because of Y and ended on Z date. This has almost never been the case. WWI, for example was predated by a number of smaller wars taking place in Africa and the Balkans. Think of a tornado. Everyone focuses on the tornado. But the real cause of the tornado is the collision of two air masses with opposite characteristics. The tornado can occur anywhere along the demarcation line. Everyone focuses on the obvious storm, but the actual cause could have made the storm occur anywhere along the contact zone.

Then, WWI “ended” on the eleventh hour of the eleventh month. Well, no. It continued to the north of Germany and in Russia and Poland and sparked lots of other conflicts. The war in Ukraine might “end” but the fighting is going to go on for a long time. As Russia gets weaker the various republics, who are getting a bad deal as Russian states, will probably make a play for independence. There will be a lot of wars and a long time before there is a general peace in the region.


12 posted on 06/24/2023 10:10:25 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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Somewhat analogous to the Titan submersible at depth.
13 posted on 06/24/2023 10:12:38 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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Putin is thinking to himself:

Everything was going to well, until I stupidly decided to invade Ukraine. Why did nobody stop me? And who suggested hat I go in; I’m going to find him and kiil him. Where’s the escape tunnel?


16 posted on 06/24/2023 10:15:20 AM PDT by adorno
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Shoigu

Sounds to me like this guy is hitting the cornered animal panic button.


17 posted on 06/24/2023 10:17:42 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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How many times have we heard this is the end game!


18 posted on 06/24/2023 10:20:48 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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Crimea is part of Ukraine. Any Russian forces present in Ukraine are legitimate war targets.


19 posted on 06/24/2023 10:22:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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Not quite.


21 posted on 06/24/2023 10:24:56 AM PDT by bigbob (Q)
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At least we will finally get to stop pretending this is a Ukraine/Russia war.


24 posted on 06/24/2023 10:33:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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Black knight victorious ove King Arthur.


25 posted on 06/24/2023 10:34:36 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Since the Swedish Vikings first started building settlements along all the major rivers in what is now Ukraine, ownership of the Rus has been fought over ever since...

It reminds me of an old fashioned NYC boxing ring gym, everybody eventually gets in there and starts swinging...

Ukraine will be fought over in perpetuity, since it has an incredible assortment of natural resources, including the biggest food basket on the continent...

IAC, IMHO, lets keep our Nation’s nose completely out of anything that happens there... Neither side is worth the blood of a single American...


30 posted on 06/24/2023 10:44:52 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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Hard to believe the CIA isn’t behind this. Time to start hoping Vlad’s a take the money and run sort of guy…


34 posted on 06/24/2023 10:52:50 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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But, but, but...I thought that Vlad took the gloves off last winter? That’s what you said back then...


37 posted on 06/24/2023 11:06:05 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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