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Zelensky: Ukrainian loss could force US to choose between ‘collapse of NATO’ or war
The Hill via Yahoo ^ | June 15th, 2023 | Julia Shapero

Posted on 06/15/2023 6:51:28 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: amnestynone

Clear aggressor? Excuse me? Remove your bias and look again.


101 posted on 06/15/2023 9:31:46 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: BobL

I did two tours in Bosnia. Serbs were not the bad guys.


102 posted on 06/15/2023 9:36:20 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Nervous Tick

i remember lots of gop seats flipped dnc as harvested ballots came in. this was in addition to electronic counting.

I guess I am not sure arguing or debating who votes for whom really matters anymore. who counts (or delivers) votes is the only issue.


103 posted on 06/15/2023 9:41:00 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Mariner

Biden is afraid that a peace agreement that does not humiliate Russia would be a “Ukrainian loss” and therefore a blow to his own prestige.


104 posted on 06/15/2023 9:46:31 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: Bulwyf

“I did two tours in Bosnia. Serbs were not the bad guys.”

The UN said the same when they investigated the wars there. The Serbs were VERY OPEN with information, such as birth records, and death listings. The Muslims wouldn’t help a bit. They were hiding stuff.

So which side did NATO bomb? The Serbs, obviously.


105 posted on 06/15/2023 9:49:27 PM PDT by BobL
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The only thing that BIDEN is afraid of is that he will quit getting his 10% and there will be no Ice Cream or children to fondle and sniff.


106 posted on 06/15/2023 9:51:09 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Nifster

so am I


107 posted on 06/15/2023 10:54:23 PM PDT by conserv8
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To: Mariner

“Collapse of NATO” should’ve occurred in 1991 when its mission was completed.


108 posted on 06/15/2023 11:03:55 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: Mariner
Zelensky would do anything to see US Troops 'in mass' in Ukraine to fight HIS war. A war he continues to feed and beg for 24/7. And you're right - he'd see the entire world burn and not think a thing about it.
109 posted on 06/15/2023 11:19:06 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: amnestynone

It’s not about taking sides. But I can truly say Zelensky would have our boys over their fighting his battle in mass and never blink an eye over their death any more than he does the people of his country.


110 posted on 06/15/2023 11:23:34 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Mariner
He would prefer the entire world burn.

The ancient China tyrant, Cao Cao (Ts'ao Ts'ao)--a model for Xi Jingshen, and Volodymyr Zelensky--said thousands of years ago:

Sound familiar?

111 posted on 06/15/2023 11:25:38 PM PDT by CDB
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To: Mariner

Again, Zelensky refuses to tell his nation and countrymen, that Crimea is beyond their reach, though maintaining a ceasefire line where the current front is . . . within reach.

The notion that Ukraine will recover every bit of land (and also be “reparated” by Russia), might not be obtainable until some future date when both Russia and Ukraine have finally learned how to be good neighbors, and Moscow miraculously becomes interested in both: behaving and good.

Ukraine does not have the strength to take Melitopol, Mariupol, and keep them, while also keeping Kharkiv and the northeast.

Zelensky jeopardizing his country and people, on a gambit of finding all the military support that he wishes, is a mistake most harmful to his country and people - regardless of all the harm to others. Ukraine loses a lot, because Ukraine will not accept how fortunate it is to have, and be able to defend, the territory and people that Ukraine has managed to have.

PS. Biden and the left (everywhere) cannot be trusted.


112 posted on 06/15/2023 11:39:59 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Steely Tom
Apparently Biden and his administration think so.
113 posted on 06/15/2023 11:41:23 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Jim Noble

Fully agree. Amazingly stated


114 posted on 06/15/2023 11:51:05 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Mariner

eff Zelensky


115 posted on 06/15/2023 11:51:18 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Then why the hell do Californians vote overwhelmingly for the child-abusers who push that crap?

*************

Because California, as well as Oregon & Washington are run by people who believe in feminist supremacy. Feminist ideology is a huge factor in these 3 states.

Since the end of the Reagan Presidency the West Coast has turned into a left-wing bastion. The reasons for this are numerous but it starts with the education sector, media, & entertainment industry.

The next two factors are urbanization and an invasion of foreigners.

The foreign invasion of California is undeniable according to census data & is a major factor in turning that state into a one party democrat dictatorship.

Oregon & Washington don’t have the foreign invader excuse, the numbers aren’t there, that’s where your “white college educated liberal” comes into play.


116 posted on 06/16/2023 12:01:25 AM PDT by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: rdcbn1

God doesn’t give a damn about military capability. We just left behind billions of dollars of equipment to a bunch of ignorant goat herders who murdered 13 of our family. If God is not on your side, you’re doomed no matter what


117 posted on 06/16/2023 12:10:03 AM PDT by LilOlLady
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To: Jim Noble

Good post!


118 posted on 06/16/2023 12:15:16 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Mariner

“Complete collapse of NATO...”

Gets my vote.

NATO is a giant money siphon on the US, a permanent entitlement for the Military Industrial Complex. Like welfare for Raytheon.

And they get to demo their latest and greatest weapons on live human beings, soon-to-be-dead Russians and Syrians and other fodder. And create soundtracked videos and fancy brochures to show our corrupt Congress over caviar lunches.

“Look how many got blowed up with this single XRF-53A1 do-hicky! You can buy 500 more for only Eleventy Zillion dollars if you act now! And by the way, Mr. Graham, we have a few board seats opening up soon. Know anyone who could fill them (wink)? Oh, and are you flying out with us on our big jet this weekend, for the photo-op in Kosovo this weekend? We’ll send you a limo full of young boys early Saturday to pick you up. Hope you can make it!

Shutting down this gargantuan wealth burning national, generational rape is what Trump tried to do. And THAT’S why they’re all still trying to stop him.

So eff NATO *spit* and damn everyone to hell who supports them and their coups and endless wars. I don’t see them sending thir kids to die, just yours. They should all see a firing squad for what they’ve done to us and the rest of the world.

When NATO collapses, I’ll dance naked under the moon and howl with glee!


119 posted on 06/16/2023 12:24:13 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (THE FBI INTERFERED IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Preach it Brother!


120 posted on 06/16/2023 12:29:25 AM PDT by sport
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