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Zelensky: Ukrainian loss could force US to choose between ‘collapse of NATO’ or war
The Hill via Yahoo ^ | June 15th, 2023 | Julia Shapero

Posted on 06/15/2023 6:51:28 PM PDT by Mariner

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Thursday that a loss to Russia could ultimately force the U.S. to choose between the “collapse of NATO” or going to war.

“If Ukraine would lose, if Russia would occupy Ukraine, Russia will continue going towards Baltic countries, Poland, etcetera,” Zelensky said in an interview with NBC News. “And they will start war with one of the NATO countries, and at this moment, the U.S. would have to choose the collapse of NATO or go to war.”

The Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are all members of NATO, as is Poland. An attack on any member of the alliance is “considered an attack against them all” under the treaty organization’s principle of collective defense.

Zelensky brought up the possibility of NATO involvement in response to the suggestion from some Republican politicians that the U.S. needs to limit its spending on the war in Ukraine.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis — a 2024 Republican presidential candidate — previously described the war as a “territorial dispute,” while arguing that the U.S. should not become “further entangled” in the conflict. Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) also warned last fall that a Republican majority in the House would not write a “blank check” to Ukraine for aid.

“Is any candidate or senator who thinks it costs too much for the United States to support Ukraine, is he ready to go to war, to fight, to send his kids,” Zelensky said Thursday, adding, “Because anyway, they will have to do this if NATO gets involved.”

“It’s not Ukraine against Russia,” he said. “Russia is fighting against the civilized world.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: bushwar; nato; russia; ukraine; zelensky
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To: Mariner

Collapse of NATO sounds good to me.


21 posted on 06/15/2023 7:10:48 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: PGR88
Not we, the deep and administrative States.
22 posted on 06/15/2023 7:10:53 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF ADCMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GLOBALISM!)
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To: Mariner

Collapse of NATO sounds good to me.


23 posted on 06/15/2023 7:11:12 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Nifster

“You are delusional”

It’s NOT Russia demanding that psycho parents have the right to have the dicks cut off their kids, in order to exact revenge on their ex’s...it’s California.


24 posted on 06/15/2023 7:11:28 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Jim Noble

Agree


25 posted on 06/15/2023 7:11:30 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF ADCMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GLOBALISM!)
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To: Nifster

No, under Biden, WE are the new evil empire. Everything we accuse Russia is actually true of us under Biden.


26 posted on 06/15/2023 7:11:56 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Mariner

Someone give Lindsey Graham a weapon and stick his ass on the front line over there.


27 posted on 06/15/2023 7:12:07 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (1218 - NEVER FORGET!)
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To: BobL

Putin is not treating to take Guns away from American Citizens, and banning our cars.


28 posted on 06/15/2023 7:12:52 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF ADCMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GLOBALISM!)
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To: rdcbn1

“Probably starting with an air offensive that would be absolutely devastating to the Russians.”

Link please.


29 posted on 06/15/2023 7:13:16 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Kazan

Not you and me.


30 posted on 06/15/2023 7:13:17 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF ADCMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GLOBALISM!)
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To: BobL

“it’s California.”

The one pyscho proposing this bill and the California voter are two different things

74% of California Voters Reject Children’s Transgender Medical Treatments
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/poll-74-of-california-voters-reject-childrens-transgender-medical-treatments/


31 posted on 06/15/2023 7:13:29 PM PDT by Lancerdancer (Don't care what you say, I am still voting Trump and still not supporting Zelensky)
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To: Mariner

I guess no other European countries are capable of lifting a finger to defend themselves. It’s all on us.


32 posted on 06/15/2023 7:13:51 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: amnestynone

Russia is no more our historic enemy than Ukraine is. They are both former Soviets States, both constituent founding members of the USSR.


33 posted on 06/15/2023 7:14:44 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: amnestynone

I strongly support Russia, who is not “our historic enemy” (I presume by “our” you are referring to the United States of America, if you are an alien, I apologize).

Wilson’s promotion of small nations prolonged one devastating war and engendered many others. As far as America is concerned, the Monroe Doctrine and the Mexican War created conditions of peace and safety for almost two centuries, and I would be remiss to deny similar spheres of influence to other great powers.


34 posted on 06/15/2023 7:15:32 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: Mariner
Ukrainian loss could force US to choose between ‘collapse of NATO’ or war

It's much better to teach a man to fish than to give him fish. NATO thinks otherwise. The United States has been giving fish to Europe for decades.

NATO has been a farce for 30 years. It is less a military alliance and more a military dependency. Like all welfare programs, the recipients are hurt most. The current NATO security arrangement that has no prospects of long-term survival.

35 posted on 06/15/2023 7:16:41 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: oblomov

“Collapse of NATO sounds good to me.”

Once NATO started bombing the crap out of Serbia, for reasons STILL not explained, I was done with NATO. They’re no longer the NATO of the Cold War, NOT EVEN CLOSE.


36 posted on 06/15/2023 7:16:54 PM PDT by BobL
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To: cowboyusa

“Putin is not treating to take Guns away from American Citizens, and banning our cars.”

...and Grooming our kids, and taking away our Light Bulbs and Gas Stoves.

Yet the thing is, all of the Biden-Puffers know EXACTLY that...which makes one wonder just who they are and who pays them.


37 posted on 06/15/2023 7:18:24 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Mariner

Yep the eastern NATO countries have refused to go into Ukraine. Therefore, NATO has already collapsed…. Leaving us isolated depleted of ammunition with our forces spread all over the world and the Chinese potential female of age call up army is 320 million.


38 posted on 06/15/2023 7:18:47 PM PDT by Therapsid (eagan the lack of food is expected to kill around 1 billion next year)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Exactly, right


39 posted on 06/15/2023 7:19:37 PM PDT by Therapsid (eagan the lack of food is expected to kill around 1 billion next year)
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To: amnestynone
Russia which is our historic enemy

The United States allied with Russia during both world wars.

40 posted on 06/15/2023 7:20:40 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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