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Trump and DeSantis Are on a Mission to Destroy the Civil Service
Intelligencer via MSN ^ | 15 Jun 23 | Ed Kilgore

Posted on 06/15/2023 7:43:40 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

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To: 1Old Pro

Also..

Consider community revitization, and investment. and “need”..

Fbi to detroit.
Epa to Billings
HHS to St. Louis
Interior to Souix City
Atf.. Oakland
DHS.. El Paso


61 posted on 06/15/2023 8:55:18 AM PDT by uranium penguin
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To: Sequoyah101

The US Civil Service is the repository of the Deep State. Not all Federal employees are Deep State operatives, not by a long shot.. But the rules of the civil service make it possible for many officials to burrow in, and be largely exempt from being fired even for sometimes great malfeasance of office, as the appeals can go on for years. There is supposed to be a schedule of employment over which the administration in power at the time may appoint their own, and they are supposed to serve at the pleasure of the President, but in effect, those serving under this schedule often get themselves shifted into the regular civil service classification and thus secure their retention between administrations. This is a glaring defect that has to be corrected in such manner that the separate schedule ALWAYS remains at the pleasure of whoever the current President may be. Democrats have always taken full advantage of this option, but as a regular thing, Republican administrations tend to not carry out the necessary housecleaning.


62 posted on 06/15/2023 8:59:00 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fiction has to be at least plausible, while reality obeys no such constraint.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

It needs to be destroyed or at least put on life support. The federal bureaucracy is a self feeding entity that grows organically. This was taught in Government 205 in 1971 at FSU. Its not new knowledge.

The federal government should be reduced by two thirds and the country would still run just fine. Most of what federal agencies do can be thrown back to the states where it used to be.


63 posted on 06/15/2023 9:00:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Red6

Red 6, I could not agree more.

1. Get rid of the government unions. They are members of the voting public so their reps are in effect their shop stewards.

2. Abolish the SES.

3. Contract all internal audit functions to CPA firms. Keep a limited number of criminal investigators in the OIG offices to handle the law breaking.

Reduce the overall staffing of the executive branch by removing by inverse proportion to the grade structure. There is a simple reason the three counties around DC have the highest per capita income in the US, too many over paid bureaucrats.


64 posted on 06/15/2023 9:09:12 AM PDT by Mouton (US Home to one party rule)
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To: Grampa Dave

Just flew back from a conference the wife had to attend.

We now had to go through a USDA checkpoint, and then the TSA checkpoint, both x-raying our belongings...

The Germans years ago had a name for this: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsbeschaffungsma%C3%9Fnahme

You can’t really translate that since it takes you to something different in English.

Basically, these were measures where government created make belief jobs to keep people employed.

Today, in our case, you have every federal agency trying to expand their scope in powers, budget, and manpower. The net result is the same, lots of people with badges and titles that think they are important, get paid well, but (((if you send 75% of them home for 6 or more month because of Covid no one will ever know the difference.)))

Do you know how many terrorists the TSA has caught since their inception? Guess: A.) 7 B.) 18 C.) 0 D.) 4 Ask yourself what those $9,000,000,000 per year do for you, the cost of air travel, the convenience of air travel, and your right to privacy (warrantless searches)?

So when that very important USDA inspector finds a mango or avocado in the baggage, the real question should be, “where do you think all the mango and avocados we eat in the US come from?”

This is was where the USDA found their cause: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/newsroom/stakeholder-info/SA_By_Date/SA-2022/aphis50-medfly The 1980 fruit fly. Funny thing is, we still get the fruit fly, and the little bit of success we do have isn’t because of ANY checkpoint, rather those evil pesticides liberals want to ban. This was a huge deal in the early 1980s, and borne out of that was a massive increase in powers by the USDA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk84zBI-OJ4 But what did almost every measure they took do to help? Almost nothing. Because just like trying to stop Covid, all these measures are in net ineffective. The fly is going to buzz across that border and won’t be intimidated by some border guard with their shiny badge and important title.

Folks will not believe it and think you to be a nut, but as a retiree and having been with a federal law enforcement agency myself, I can honestly say you could get rid of 1/2 the people and still get the actual job completed the organization was created for. We simply grew over the years, with ever more ideas from senior managers offering solutions to politicians that want to show action and leadership after some crisis. After Covid, not onlu has the CDC and NIH massively grown in budget, they have also seen their scope of powers and number of personnel increase... That’s how the DEA, ATF, TSA... all came about in the first place, as some great idea to fight some problem, real or make belief. Did you know some of the first regulations by the EPA put to paper were on DDT, an enviro make belief threat. The ATF has its real origins in prohibition, but not only did they manage to survive after that was lifted, they have grown in manpower and scope by an order of magnitude.

You have to look at federal government a little bit like a private corporation that wants to grow. Only, with government that growth is at the EXPENSE of productive free enterprise. Government not only sucks money from the private sector and doesn’t really produce wealth, it actually suppresses wealth generation, since government is in the business of regulating, controlling, licensing, taxing, inspecting... all things which make it more complex, costly, and slower to conduct business.

***Government grows because the bureaucrats want to grow government. But the politicians use these agencies and departments to show action and leadership after every new crisis.***

***More often than not the actions taken are worthless measures, done just to show action for actions sake. Furthermore these crisis are usually temporary. However, the expansion in government authority/powers, budget, manpower, etc. is permanent, almost always.***


65 posted on 06/15/2023 9:12:45 AM PDT by Red6
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To: econjack

“With the exception of the military, all federal agencies will find their budgets trimmed by 10%, effective tomorrow. If you are not capable of providing the same, or better, service within this budget, you will be replaced by someone who can.”

I would totally revise their missions, under law, and even eliminate some (like HUD and the Ed Dep), and after that I would cut all their remaining budgets in half (outside the DOD).

Even for the DOJ I would tell them to quit doing prosecutions for federal laws that are duplicated by laws in the states - leave the issues to the states. I would tell Congress I want a bill that puts that into law - cutting out “federal” “crimes” that are mere duplicates of crimes covered by state laws, and demand Congress quit making such duplicates just to appear they are “being tough on crime”.


66 posted on 06/15/2023 9:16:58 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Reily
Nonetheless, the system (Constitution) still would work if We the People did our part.

That goes to education in schools and ongoing as adults.

67 posted on 06/15/2023 9:18:04 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (My heroes have always been indicted!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Wow. Such Deep State nefariousness! /S


68 posted on 06/15/2023 9:18:23 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Erik Latranyi

Grab the torpedoes. Fling ‘em ahead!


69 posted on 06/15/2023 9:21:48 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Erik Latranyi

Good for them!


70 posted on 06/15/2023 9:22:12 AM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Totalitarian goons, thugs, liars, and bullies are being targeted by Trump and DeSantis? Two en smart enough to know ‘the people of the United States’ are sick of monsters running DC for their own benefit? Monsters who see their rules as attacking traditional Americans?

OMG

How can it be? /s


71 posted on 06/15/2023 9:26:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (Black thugs, white liberal 'elites', and sexual weirdos are the democrat team against the rest of us)
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To: RoosterRedux
I would have loved that once.

RDS has now gone over the edge and has damaged his case for being an heir to MAGA. He may not recover from this unforced error.

Other than Vivek R, no one running has stepped up to the plate in refuting the Stalinism of the left. Not a one.

72 posted on 06/15/2023 9:26:59 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Stay the course!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

My grandfather was a civil servant as an accountant in the Pentagon. He retired in the late 60s making $18,000 per year.

Up until then, civil service was understood by all that you weren’t going to be paid very well, but if you did your job well you would never be let go. Now you don’t have to do your job well, you get paid very well and they CAN’T fire you for anything!


73 posted on 06/15/2023 9:35:23 AM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

THIS


74 posted on 06/15/2023 9:40:49 AM PDT by newzjunkey (We need a better Trump than Trump in 2024)
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To: Erik Latranyi; All
a new Schedule F classification of political appointees to include most policymaking positions in the higher levels of the bureaucracy. Like a lot of alarming things Trump proposed…

Notice the language here. Why shouldn’t policymakers in the executive branch be accountable to the elected president?

Like Trump, DeSantis believes that federal law-enforcement agencies are abusing power systematically whenever they get in the way of conservative policy initiatives or prosecute Republican officeholders.

It’s like the Russia Hoax never happened in the author’s world. This sentence reveals their political point of view.

75 posted on 06/15/2023 9:46:35 AM PDT by newzjunkey (We need a better Trump than Trump in 2024)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Civil servants are neither civil nor servant.


76 posted on 06/15/2023 9:56:00 AM PDT by SkiKnee
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To: Grampa Dave

Most of the actual mail deliverers are not USPS employees but contractors. There are about 6 desk jockey administrators in the USPS for every mailman and counter worker.


77 posted on 06/15/2023 10:00:05 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Erik Latranyi

I do not want the bureaucrats replaced. I want the bureaucracy DESTROYED.


78 posted on 06/15/2023 10:03:34 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Mouton

Make all IGs career-wise reportable to a separate commission. That way no agency or government department controls their careers. Vet all IGs to TS SBI with full scope poly so they will be eligible for SAPs that might exist at whatever security/DOD agency they get an assignment. Otherwise IGs as they currently exist are too vulnerable to their careers being squashed at their home agencies eventhough that’s not supposed to happen.


79 posted on 06/15/2023 10:09:12 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Supposed to and what is are worlds apart and always will be!


80 posted on 06/15/2023 10:10:58 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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