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Overcommitment to NATO turns Uncle Sam into Uncle Sucker in Europe
standtogether.org ^ | June 8, 2023

Posted on 06/09/2023 5:32:59 AM PDT by elpadre

America has long been the biggest military spender of any of its allies, but other nations aren’t holding up their end of the bargain. It’s time to rethink NATO burden sharing, says Justin Logan of the Cato Institute, a Washington D.C. think tank that studies many public policy issues, including a more restrained foreign policy that keeps the U.S. strong for future generations.

As of last year, the U.S. can include 50 of the world’s countries as formal allies, plus dozens of other informal partnerships. The U.S. shoulders a vastly disproportionate amount of the economic burden: While U.S. allies account for about 36% of world economic output, they contribute just 24% of global military spending.

This imbalance allows allies to spend money on domestic priorities while U.S. taxpayers pick up the tab for their national security. Every U.S. president since Eisenhower has called this out, but the solution is far from simple. It likely involves reevaluating our alliances, pulling back from firm commitments, and following a three-pronged approach to spurring allies to take on more economic responsibility involving institutions, military deployments, and diplomatic signals.

Logan, director of defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, recently published a policy analysis breaking down this financial tradition. Here, he answers some questions about how we can reset the table and improve NATO burden sharing with our allies.

(Excerpt) Read more at standtogether.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: military; nato
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I recommend a deep dive into what the US is actually spending.
This requires an education in macroeconomics, but fortunately you can self-educate.

You want your 30 days vacation?

Here it is - Medical spending, % GDP - World Bank numbers
US - 18.82% of GDP
Germany - 12.81%

Defense spending % GDP

US - 3.5% of GDP
Germany - 1.3%

US medical costs are ridiculous. This is forced on the US by political, regulatory and legal idiocy. And nearly all of this is mandated costs, as even “private” spending, say on company medical insurance, is a regulatory “tax” - off budget.

The cost of this waste, vs any other advanced country, dwarfs the US defense budget. And you can go on from there in every other category of social spending.

The US, as a society, is vastly inefficient.


21 posted on 06/09/2023 6:27:48 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: csvset

“Ukrainian Armored Columns Got SMASHED and AMBUSHED”

Pretty much what everyone (except the Leftists) expected.

Dima is now saying that the Ukrainians are looking to talk peace terms with Russia based on their trashing so far, so don’t be surprised if the Neocons nuke Kiev.


22 posted on 06/09/2023 6:29:08 AM PDT by BobL
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To: ansel12

“The Russian invasion has changed a lot of that by increasing military budgets...”

Now the question will become whether NATO can come up with weapons that Russia doesn’t turn into minced meat.


23 posted on 06/09/2023 6:30:27 AM PDT by BobL
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To: unread

The US government (and the politico-economic system, of which it is just a part) doesnt waste money quite as much as it forces the private sector to pay for mandates “off the books”.

It wastes vastly more of other people’s money than its own.


24 posted on 06/09/2023 6:31:32 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Hah hah, Ukes have gotten their butts kicked. Those guys are doing the dying for NATO.


25 posted on 06/09/2023 6:32:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: BobL

“Dima is now saying that the Ukrainians are looking to talk peace terms with Russia based on their trashing so far, so don’t be surprised if the Neocons nuke Kiev.”

But only after (right after) they get the latest $2billion from US taxpayers that the Democrats are planning on donating to their Ukraine laundromat. It’s for their own retirement offshore funds, after all....so more is always better.


26 posted on 06/09/2023 6:32:54 AM PDT by Danie_2023
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To: buwaya

“Europe has reversed this one. Or, rather, Putin has. Military budgets are increasing all over Europe.”

Bluster. Europe barely stepped up during the Cold War.

Once Russia finishes liberating Ukraine and Europe realizes that Putin is no threat to them, the Europeans will very likely go back to being...well, Europeans, and the money will move back to trying to deal with their HUGE (and growing) migrant community and other social programs.


27 posted on 06/09/2023 6:33:46 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

War is losses.

One bombardment doesn’t make a battle.


28 posted on 06/09/2023 6:36:53 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL

European Nato had thousands of tanks and aircraft, and millions of men serving, plus several times more that it could mobilize.

All of continental Europe had conscription and mandatory military service throughout the Cold War, while the US did not, after 1973.

Do some research before extracting your bile. Maybe you will feel better in general.


29 posted on 06/09/2023 6:42:17 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

I saw their GNP spending levels during the Cold War. Higher than today, but didn’t hold a candle to us (other then the UK). Similar to the proportions between the US and Europe today.

So take your pathetic attempt to re-write history and shove it on others.


30 posted on 06/09/2023 6:47:25 AM PDT by BobL
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To: buwaya
The NATO bots send these guys in without any air cover. The Russian drones spot the Ukes marshalling their forces, 15 miles from the front. The Russian drones wait and watch. Eventually this turns into a shooting gallery . Other vehicles try to flee, right into the mine field.

What brainiac is sending these guys to their doom ? No air support, not even drones.

No problem, the slit eyed dwarf ,Zelinsky, will be making the rounds, rattling his tin cup for a few billion more.

Zman, you inbred dwarf, how are you going to replace the equipment ?

31 posted on 06/09/2023 6:54:22 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: csvset

Both sides use drones for artillery spotting. There is no “air cover” that would prevent that.

Both sides are engaged in a back and forth drone-anti-drone struggle. This is cutting edge stuff.


32 posted on 06/09/2023 7:12:00 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: elpadre

America is being overrun by freeloading, thieving foreigners and the demented pedophile is sending all of our money to the forkin’ Ukies. It sure would be nice to know where the hell all those billions are going. You can bet the FIBBIES and CIA haven’t a clue what happened to it.


33 posted on 06/09/2023 7:14:49 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The southern invasion has been a big success. Foreigner invaders are running the government now.)
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To: BobL

As I said, bile. You need to check that. It’s not good.


34 posted on 06/09/2023 7:17:01 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

“As I said, bile. You need to check that. It’s not good.”

Keep trying, but most of us are also old enough to remember the HUGE PROTESTS against NATO in Germany and other countries, under both Carter and Reagan.

Others can decide what to think of your attempted re-write of history.


35 posted on 06/09/2023 7:21:52 AM PDT by BobL
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To: elpadre
After what we're seen of the Biden Crime family and his goons and thug in 'intelligence' and the DOJ, we can assume our 'public servants' aren't 'gullible suckers' they're 'on the take' criminals. AND they're being protected.

Ever wonder how DC's 'public servants' live in mansions, have beach houses and drive corvettes?

Well, it's easy, they sell their country for kickbacks

36 posted on 06/09/2023 7:32:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (Target, Busch and Disney support sexual mutilation and sterilization of children. Boycott )
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Defense Politics Asia’s take on the Uke offensive.

UKRAINE NEEDS TO RETHINK HOW TO FIGHT

Zaporizhzhia Offensive dwindled to just south of M.Tokmachka

37 posted on 06/09/2023 7:37:45 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: bert
--- "Drivelous balderdash"

Why? Have you something more with which to detail your critique?

Having lived and worked in Europe over decades (and elsewhere), it has been my experience that some Europeans expect the US to pick up the tab for much. Some here say too much. But some thought "not enough."

Reading Der Spiegel with some frequency, I will tell that their editorial stance anti-Trump in darn near every issue for years. And some of my German neighbors accepted Der Spiegel's stance and so were contemptuous of Trump, such that my occasional defense was greeter with some surprise. Ah, Europe and Uncle Sam, Evil Trump and Uncle Sucker who beat him in the last election. Or not.

Looking forward to your adding something more content-filled to "drivelous balderdash."

38 posted on 06/09/2023 7:52:51 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: buwaya

Lol. There are perfectly legal actions that can be done. Anything is better than scribbling essays that our adversaries don’t read and would laugh at if they did. It’s not either submission or revolution. There’s a lot of room in between.


39 posted on 06/09/2023 8:10:54 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: csvset

Maybe NATO used a time machine and brought some French Generals from 1939 to organize the offensive.


40 posted on 06/09/2023 8:15:32 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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