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Ukraine is kicking off its big offensive armed with powerful Western tanks and weapons, but breaking Russian lines may be anything but easy
Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | June 8th, 2023 | Ryan Pickrell

Posted on 06/08/2023 3:24:43 PM PDT by Mariner

Ukraine's much-anticipated counteroffensive has finally begun.

The Ukrainians are armed with Western weapons, including tanks and armored vehicles, but they are facing tough Russian defenses.

The initial phases of this operation may be the most dangerous and costly, war experts say.

The Ukrainian counteroffensive has begun, kicking off a particularly dangerous time for Ukraine's armed forces, even with its newly acquired arsenal of Western-made tanks, armored vehicles, and other weaponry that has been pouring in over months.

"Amidst a highly complex operational picture, heavy fighting continues along multiple sectors of the front," the British defense ministry said in a Thursday update, noting that "in most areas Ukraine holds the initiative."

Ukrainian forces, including combat units trained in Western tactics and armed with Western weaponry, are pushing against various parts of the front line, The Washington Post reported as The Financial Times reported Ukraine has committed Western-made tanks, which experts have said would signal the start of the offensive.

Kyiv hasn't announced it, as it said it wouldn't, but Ukrainian officials confirmed to ABC News that the counteroffensive is actively underway. An officer and a soldier told NBC the same, and the Institute for the Study of War, a think tank that has carefully tracked Russia's war in Ukraine, said Thursday "the Ukrainian counteroffensive has begun."

There appear to be Ukrainian offensive operations against Russian defenses in the Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk oblasts, among other locations along the front lines.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: another500billion; billittothegrandkids; ryanpickrell
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Does BRICS accept applications from individuals? I’m thinking this place is all but finished.


21 posted on 06/08/2023 4:47:14 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: delta7

I think we’ll see Nato troops entering sooner rather than later and in larger numbrs than have been. I realize they shouln’t do so for obvious reasons but they will.


22 posted on 06/08/2023 4:49:07 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Mariner

But doomed nevertheless.
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What can anyone make of this other than a suicide mission? I would hate to be driving that mobile armor out in the open.


23 posted on 06/08/2023 5:12:16 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: Mariner

Anybody else curious why we haven’t seen any satellite imagery of what’s going on with the Ukraine? Because if there’s a war going on there, it’s certain it’s observable from low earth orbit.

And as many news scroungers as are regulars on this website, it’s equally as certain that if anybody were publishing their satellite images, some Freeper would have found them and re-posted them here. And there are enough privately-owned surveillance platforms in orbit that it is unlikely to the extreme that no one would be interested in making a buck off selling their images on the open market.

And for every news story that comes out about the war there, within 24 hours of its release, there’s another story saying the exact opposite.

For all we know, Pootie-Poot and Zelenskyy are hanging out together in Acapulco, drinking daiquiris and playing Risk, and the war we’ve been shown in the Ukraine is all CGI.


24 posted on 06/08/2023 6:13:55 PM PDT by threefinger
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To: joma89

And the globalists are enjoying every moment of it.


25 posted on 06/08/2023 7:22:17 PM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (You can't remove RINOs by voting for them!)
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To: caww

Im wondering why the Polish troops there that have been captured, haven’t been paraded on the news.


26 posted on 06/08/2023 7:52:57 PM PDT by davidb56
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To: Mariner
The Russians have been holding them in front of the first line of defense. There are at least 3 lines of defense Ukrainians have to break through. The first one isn't that strong but the last two are very strong. The other thing is there isn't much cover for the Ukrainians to use when they head towards the Russian line. I watched video of a Ukrainian column of tanks and APC driving down a road in a straight line. It got decimated by Russian artillery and air strikes. This offensive will fail miserably if the Ukrainians keep using these tactics.
27 posted on 06/08/2023 7:58:35 PM PDT by Rdct29 (The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party )
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To: delta7

28 posted on 06/08/2023 10:53:47 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Vermont Lt
"Russian channels say that Ukrainian forces made gains in Luhove today [Thursday, June 8, 2023] and are assaulting near Malaya Tokmachka [Zaporzhia Oblast, east-southeast from Orikhiv] tonight [Thursday - Friday, June 8 - 9] as they did last night." Source:

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1666970818130378752

"Ru channels say that the 42nd MRD's 291st and 70th MR Regiments, 22nd and 45th Spetsnaz Brigades, and BARS are defending the area." Source:

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1666974433070977025

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Malaya Tokmachka is near the site where Ukraine lost some German Leopard tanks (probables) on Sunday, June 4, 2023, to the south of the right-most blue tank icon in the above map.

29 posted on 06/09/2023 3:14:24 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp
"The Russian MoD says that Colonel General Alexander Romanchuk is commanding Russian forces in the Zaporizhzhia direction. Rybar suggests he played a role in the 2014 Zelenopillia rocket attack." Source:
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1666979780594663424

"He was the Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District then, later served in Syria, and then was in charge of Russia's Combined Arms Academy. A Russian channel says that the Russian 40th Naval Infantry Brigade is defending in Novodonetske area." Source:
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1666986382529826816

"A Russian channel said that Ukrainian forces used MICLICs and tanks with mine rollers during their assault. Multiple Russian channels claim that Russian attack helicopters are being employed." Source:
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1666999428123881472

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The German Leopard tank losses mentioned in reply 29, above, may have occurred on June 6 - 7, 2023. There were additional losses, probably on June 4, 2023, when "in neighboring Novodonetske, Ukrainians attacked in a similar way - with an armored herd"

30 posted on 06/09/2023 3:49:24 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: joma89
Yet another war to have white people kill other white people.

"I see dead slavs."

"You mean dead ruzzians?"

"Dead slavs"

"Yooks?"

"Slavs"

"Money well spent."

31 posted on 06/09/2023 3:59:49 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: gleeaikin; UMCRevMom@aol.com

“The Russian neo-Nazi Rusich paramilitary group says it’s fighting in Zaporizhzhia and that they sustained 3 WIA. Photo shows an AK-74 with Holosun optics and magnifier.” Source:

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1667134740141408256


32 posted on 06/09/2023 5:14:44 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Mariner

Yes a German recession is a big effin’ deal.

Weren’t both world wars fought essentially because of German economic recessions?


33 posted on 06/09/2023 7:25:06 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (Who knew "Idiocracy", "1984", "Enemy of the State", and "Person of Interest" would be non-fiction?)
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To: ArcadeQuarters

And the globalists are enjoying every moment of it.

So are their wallets.


34 posted on 06/09/2023 7:33:24 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (Who knew "Idiocracy", "1984", "Enemy of the State", and "Person of Interest" would be non-fiction?)
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