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Russia's defences are 'more fragile than thought' Western officials reveal amid growing signs Ukraine's counter-offensive IS underway
The Daily Mail ^ | June 5, 2023 | NATASHA ANDERSON

Posted on 06/05/2023 1:00:27 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

Russia's defences could be 'more fragile than thought', western officials have warned amid growing signs that Ukraine's counter-offensive has begun.

Ukrainian forces have advanced in Novodonetsk by up to five or six kilometres, it has emerged. Officials claim 'fierce battles are going on' for control of the settlement.

American and European military officials advising Kyiv have claimed that Kremlin defensive lines may be fragile, an insider told The Economist today.

Semyon Pegov, a prominent Kremlin-affiliated 'milblogger', confirmed that Ukraine had 'some success' in an attack in Novoselivka-Ugledar and claimed updates from the Russian-controlled region were 'more and more alarming every hour'.

Pegov, commonly known under his alias Wargonzo, said the war is 'heating up' and that today's attack was 'much more serious than yesterday'.

Ukrainian forces punched through Russian defensive lines in southeast Ukraine for a second day, with Russian officials saying today that Moscow's forces have foiled at least one assault.

Kyiv said their forces were indeed increasing offensive operations and making gains, but suggested some of the Russian announcements were misinformation as speculation grows about a widely anticipated counteroffensive after more than 15 months of war.

Vladimir Rogov, an official in the Russia-backed administration of Ukraine's partly occupied Zaporizhzhia province, said fighting resumed on its border with the eastern Donetsk province on Monday after Russian defenses beat back a Ukrainian advance the previous day.

'The enemy threw an even bigger force into the attack than yesterday (Sunday),' and the new attempt to break through the front line was 'more large-scale and organised,' Rogov said, adding: 'A battle is underway.'

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: 0bidenlover; 0trolltrolliam; counteroffensive; europe; globalistpropaganda; natashaanderson; nato; russia; spamspamspam; ukraine; war
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Yesterday there were reports that Russia was gaining. Today reports that Russia is falling back.

I suspect that with troops behind them with orders to shoot them if the front line retreats, Russians will fight hard for a day, but by the second day they will be more afraid of the Ukraine troops than their own troops and cut and run. I wonder how many officers are being fragged by the poor meat grinder troops? THen their are the issues of running out of food and ammo with supply problems in the midst of war chaos. I suspect Ukraine army handles that better than the Russians.

We will probably see a number of days of seesaw reporting for the next month.


21 posted on 06/05/2023 1:34:14 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: gleeaikin

At some point the front line Russian troops will pivot and attack the Russian troops in their rear. There’s already been incidents of fratricide as retreating Russian forces have had to kill their way through guard forces, maybe we’ll see more.


22 posted on 06/05/2023 1:36:33 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC
At some point the front line Russian troops will pivot and attack the Russian troops in their rear.

You freaks are totally delusional. But it is funny to watch.
23 posted on 06/05/2023 1:39:14 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: JoSixChip

why hasn’t evil putin/russia been able to defeat a bunch of farmers and miners in over a year?


24 posted on 06/05/2023 1:39:49 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: JoSixChip

“You freaks are totally delusional.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1MuMIyIDyk


25 posted on 06/05/2023 1:43:47 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

See what I mean? Who else would post that but some kind of freak?


26 posted on 06/05/2023 1:46:09 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: Rockingham

“At some point, this could give NATO an opening to force a resolution on Putin and Russia that preserves enough so that they do not become desperate and foolish in a nuclear way.”

May it be so!


27 posted on 06/05/2023 1:47:12 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: JoSixChip; Timber Rattler

“LOL Ukraine is getting their ass handed to them.”

Ukraine is advancing on Belgorod. Belgorod is being evacuated.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/05/looting-reported-in-belgorod-region-amid-shelling-evacuation-a81400


28 posted on 06/05/2023 1:47:26 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

“At some point the front line Russian troops will pivot and attack the Russian troops in their rear.”

May it be so!


29 posted on 06/05/2023 1:49:04 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
why hasn’t evil putin/russia been able to defeat a bunch of farmers and miners in over a year?

Because it's nato he's fighting and doing his best to avoid civilian casualties.
30 posted on 06/05/2023 1:49:04 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Six mech battalions (3000 men) and two armor battalions (60 tanks) in less than 48 hours and Ukraine has already lost 26 tanks ( four hours ago).

NATO-Con’s and Biden supporters at FR shouldn’t get overly excited. Ukraine has manpower losses exceeding 950 men KIA since Sunday morning. These kinds of hollow victory’s will not help the Mini-Furher Zenlenski to get more arms or ammunition, nor can Ukraine do much with a 45% tank loss. Currently the Ukrainian forces have been shown on drone feeds to be crossisng open fields in excess of 1800 meters. The overhead compression of Russian artillery is 45 over or something like that, and there is no way Ukraine can maintain Armor and Mechanized formations utilizing open fields and mad dashes.

Russia did not fall prey to Uke pinning attacks, nor did Russia commit reserves to points on the map, but rather Ukraine has only managed to disperse her own troops. Today also in Belegrade Russia area, the supposed “free Russians” that went into Russia were “simply” Ukrainian soldiers and not former Russian troops.

The fog of war is becoming clearer every moment.


31 posted on 06/05/2023 1:50:03 PM PDT by Jumper ( )
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To: MeganC
Ukraine is advancing on Belgorod. Belgorod is being evacuated.

No, Ukraine is shelling Belgorod from a distance. It serves no purpose other then an act of desperation.
32 posted on 06/05/2023 1:51:08 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: JoSixChip

“Because it’s nato he’s fighting and doing his best to avoid civilian casualties.”

total BS.

If putin was actually fighting NATO there would be no russia left.

Hitting children’s hospital is deliberate targeting of civilians. putin/russia have murdered almost 9,000 civilians so far

you know not of what you speak


33 posted on 06/05/2023 1:52:20 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: gleeaikin

Russia has 5-6-7 channel lane blocking positions ahead of the Ukrainian troop movements. Russia designes these flexible defensive positions to force Ukraine to burn time, and to force them into kill zones


34 posted on 06/05/2023 1:52:31 PM PDT by Jumper ( )
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To: JoSixChip

“No, Ukraine is shelling Belgorod from a distance.”

Okay, fine. So what is Putin doing about it besides evacuating the oblast and surrendering it to Ukraine?


35 posted on 06/05/2023 1:53:28 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Jumper

why hasn’t putin/russia already defeated Ukraine?


36 posted on 06/05/2023 1:53:46 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: JoSixChip
The sooner Russia finishes off Ukraine the better in both lives and dollars.

I think we should send some nukes to Ukraine. Let em throw em over the border into Russia. Let Russia nuke back. Problem aolved. Screw em all. Let God sort em out.

37 posted on 06/05/2023 1:57:42 PM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: Sunsong

Mince words like Uke keyboard hero. Everyone knows Ukraine is not arming, training themselves nor do they have the money which the US claims it is sending to pay the Uke Military and civil government salaries. Sounds like a Proxy NATO force to me. The sooner Russia defeats Biden and Ukraine, the sooner US tax dollars can be kept at home.


38 posted on 06/05/2023 1:58:01 PM PDT by Jumper ( )
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To: Timber Rattler

daily mail propaganda is always good for a laugh!
the rus claim heavy uke losses but i’ll wait for video verification
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update from neutral source DPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZtFX2qKD0U
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today’s update ftom mil summary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxshlVrtioI


39 posted on 06/05/2023 1:58:21 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: JoSixChip

“anyone you don’t agree with is on Putin’s payroll. “

And anyone you dont agree with is a Globohomo, Biden supporter, NeoCon, troll, etc etc

Really now....


40 posted on 06/05/2023 1:59:24 PM PDT by dominusobiscum (Scripture is infallible, interpretations of Scripture not so much.)
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