British PM Rishi Sunak says Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO

CNBC.com ^ | June 1,2023 | Karen Gilchrist

[dfwgator]

WW1 was started by Austria-Hungary.

France's alliance with Russia, guaranteed that the war would spread beyond just Austria-Hungary and Serbia.

[Timber Rattler]

No, he sure isn't.

Russia's defence spending jumped 282% y/y to $26 bln in Jan-Feb -budget data

But he's not getting the full boom for his buck...

[Organic Panic]

Rishi knows it won’t be his imported mutts that will be dying in Ukraine. So let’s all go to war...

[BobL]

“I’m more worried long-term about Turkey, who has millions of Fifth-Column Muslim supporters spread all throughout Europe. And when Russia is out of the picture, they’ll make their move.”

The Repopulation Program by the Globalists (also big-time Ukraine supporters) in Europe is something that Europe has to deal with themselves. But if the Neocons and Globalists can get spanked in Ukraine, their ability to rule with an iron-hand in Europe may become quite limited, and thus the people of Europe, if they’re up to it, may finally be allowed to stop and then reverse their Repopulation Program.

[JonPreston]

Hush, Polish. Your side lost.

[ganeemead]

WW2 in Europe was started by the British who, as Pat Buchanan noted, were handing out war gaurantees like they were cotton candy. That convinced the poles that they had no need for serious bargaining with Germany.

For that matter, Putin notes that in the years between the wars, Poland had iunvaded every one of its immediate neighbors other than Germany; they could never get up the cajones for that one....

[Trumpisourlastchance]

Ukraine won’t exist. Does NATO want to join that status?

[dfwgator]

Britain and France tried to get an alliance with Stalin, but Stalin wanted half of Poland in return, and the British and French said no, so Voila! the Molotov-Von Ribbentrop Pact.

No way Hitler moves on Poland, without getting that agreement with Stalin.

[Brian Griffin]

From Wikipedia article on the WW2 German V-2:

Propellant
3,810 kg (8,400 lb) 75% ethanol
25% water
4,910 kg (10,820 lb) liquid oxygen

Operational
range
320 km (200 mi)

Flight altitude
88 km (55 mi) maximum altitude on long-range trajectory

Maximum: 5,760 km/h (3,580 mph)
At impact: 2,880 km/h (1,790 mph)

Warhead 1,000 kg (2,200 lb); Amatol (explosive weight: 910 kg)

The A-4 used a 75% ethanol/25% water mixture (B-Stoff) for fuel and liquid oxygen (LOX) (A-Stoff) for oxidizer. The water reduced the flame temperature, acted as a coolant by turning to steam and augmented the thrust, tended to produce a smoother burn, and reduced thermal stress.

A short and lighter combustion chamber without burn-through was developed by using centrifugal injection nozzles, a mixing compartment, and a converging nozzle to the throat for homogeneous combustion.

Film cooling was used to prevent burn-through at the nozzle throat.

To control trajectory at liftoff and supersonic speeds, heat-resistant graphite vanes were used as rudders in the exhaust jet.

Saur planned to build 2,000 rockets per month, between the existing three factories and the Nordhausen Mittelwerk factory being built. However, alcohol production was dependent upon the potato harvest.

Antwerp, Belgium was a target for a large number of V-weapon attacks from October 1944 through to the virtual end of the war in March 1945, leaving 1,736 dead and 4,500 injured in greater Antwerp. Thousands of buildings were damaged or destroyed as the city was struck by 590 direct hits. The largest loss of life by a single rocket attack during the war came on 16 December 1944, when the roof of the crowded Cine Rex was struck, leaving 567 dead and 291 injured.

Missile strikes that hit targets could cause large numbers of deaths – 160 were killed and 108 seriously injured in one explosion at 12:26 pm on 25 November 1944, at a Woolworth’s department store in New Cross, south-east London.

British intelligence sent false reports via their Double-Cross System implying that the rockets were over-shooting their London target by 10 to 20 miles (16 to 32 km). This tactic worked; more than half of the V-2s aimed at London landed outside the London Civil Defence Region. Most landed on less-heavily populated areas in Kent due to erroneous recalibration. For the remainder of the war, British intelligence maintained the ruse by repeatedly sending bogus reports implying that the rockets were now striking the British capital with heavy loss of life.

Three days later the team returned a report stating that if the guns fired 2,000 rounds at a missile there was a 1 in 60 chance of shooting it down.

6,048 V-2s were built, at a cost of approximately 100,000 ℛℳ (£2,370,000 in 2011) each; 3,225 were launched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket

“Following the Shell Crisis of 1915 in which the UK did not have enough ordnance due to a lack of explosives, a team at the Royal Arsenal laboratories produced a mixture of ammonium nitrate and TNT, known as Amatol for short. Special factories were constructed for the manufacture of ammonium nitrate by the double decomposition of sodium nitrate and ammonium sulfate in solution followed by evaporative concentration and crystallization. It became the standard filling for shells and bombs, and was later adopted by the USA as their principal high explosive.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amatol

[Brian Griffin]

“why a war in Ukraine was so important to them.”

Starting the war itself was obviously a bad idea.

Many ethnic Ukrainians wanted to push ethnic Russians aside in Ukraine, much like many “people of color” in the USA want to push ‘whites’ aside.

Things escalated.

The West wants to beat Putin’s invasion to discourage Xi from invading Taiwan.

[Brian Griffin]

“The Shell Crisis of 1915 was a shortage of artillery shells on the front lines in the First World War that led to a political crisis in the United Kingdom. Previous military experience led to an over-reliance on shrapnel to attack infantry in the open, which was negated by the resort to trench warfare, for which high-explosive shells were better suited. At the start of the war there was a revolution in doctrine: instead of the idea that artillery was a useful support for infantry attacks, the new doctrine held that heavy guns alone would control the battlefield. Because of the stable lines on the Western Front, it was easy to build railway lines that delivered all the shells the factories could produce. The ‘shell scandal’ emerged in 1915 because the high rate of fire over a long period was not anticipated and the stock of shells became depleted. The inciting incident was the disastrous Battle of Aubers, which reportedly had been stymied by a lack of shells.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Crisis_of_1915

“The Munitions of War Act 1915 ended the shell crisis and guaranteed a supply of munitions that the Germans were unable to match.”

[Brian Griffin]

“WW2 in Europe was started by the British who, as Pat Buchanan noted, were handing out war gaurantees like they were cotton candy. That convinced the poles that they had no need for serious bargaining with Germany.”

Hitler’s snatching of all of Czechoslovakia meant that bargaining with Hitler wasn’t going to work.

[dfwgator]

Hitler brought in the Czech President, told him he had four hours to tell his troops to stand down, or else the Luftwaffe would bomb Prague. He had a heart attack, and they were lucky he didn’t croak on them. And Hitler by that time, also already got the Slovaks to break away.

[Brian Griffin]

“why a war in Ukraine was so important to them.”

Being able to prove to disgruntled Americans that breakaway republics as in Luhansk and Donetsk will not be tolerated by DC is very important.

Democrats are determined and firm masters. Tax slaves must know their place.

[Brian Griffin]

“With a thrust of 25 metric tons (56,000 lb), the V-2 motor was the world’s first large, liquid-fuel rocket engine and powered the first ballistic missile, the German V-2 of World War II. The combustion chamber was the engine’s heart and burned the propellants, water alcohol and liquid oxygen, at about 2,700 ºC (4,900 ºF). Water alcohol was injected through six pipes near the bottom of the chamber, moved up between the walls in order to cool the chamber, emerging through the sides of the 18 injectors on top. Small pipes also injected alcohol into the chamber through rings of tiny holes in order to provide a insulating film of fuel along the walls. Liquid oxygen was injected directly into the top of the injector heads. A pyrotechnic igniter started combustion, after which burning was self-sustaining.”

https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/combustion-chamber-v-2-cutaway/nasm_A19790950000

Take a look. I suspect Russians could make many thousands of them monthly.

[tlozo]

Many ethnic Ukrainians wanted to push ethnic Russians aside in Ukraine

Right, "push ethnic Russians aside" means Ukrainian should be the primary language taught in Ukrainian schools. Learn the damn language of the country you live in, what a novel concept!

[tlozo]

WW2 in Europe was started by the British

Right, it was the British who invaded Poland. Okay

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Soon after the pact, Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September 1939.

Common parade of Wehrmacht and Red Army in Brest at the end of the invasion of Poland. At the centre are Major General Heinz Guderian and Soviet Brigadier Semyon Krivoshein.

The joint Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk. Celebrating the invasion and occupation of Poland. (22nd September 1939)

[dfwgator]

This was six weeks before the Germans invaded the Soviet Union.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZbN_ujVWKY

[Brian Griffin]

“Learn the damn language of the country you live in, what a novel concept!”

Many areas had a mixed population, Ukrainian and Russian.

Ethnic Ukrainian administrators tended to have the ability to speak Russian and Ukrainian, but since the ethnic Russian administrators tended to have the ability to just speak Russian, the areas were placed under Ukrainian SSR administration by the Soviet Union.

The Russian speaking areas were taken from the Turks by Russians. There was no independent Ukraine until about 1918 when Ukraine went independent. Lenin reversed independence from Russia after a few years.

Around 1990 Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union. Around 2014 Donetsk and Luhansk in turn declared independence from Ukraine. What is good for goose is good for gander.

[tlozo]

Around 1990 Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union. Around 2014 Donetsk and Luhansk in turn declared independence from Ukraine. What is good for goose is good for gander.

Ukraine is a country, Donetsk is not. You cannot have every town or locality declaring independence.