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Russians could face revolt as Putin's 'butcher' calls for martial law over Ukraine
Fox News ^ | May 28, 2023 | Caitlin McFall

Posted on 05/28/2023 8:08:51 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: jpsb
Hitler declared war on us, Japan attacked us. Russia has done neither.

US Lend-Lease started in March 11, 1941 before Japan declared war in December 7, 1941 or Hitler in December 11, 1941.

21 posted on 05/29/2023 5:12:49 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: McGruff
Maybe Europe could defend themselves for once instead of American farm boys dying for them.

Right, because how many "American farm boys dying" in Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

22 posted on 05/29/2023 5:14:44 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
That does not change the fact that Hitler declared war on us, Japan attacked us. Russia has done neither.

Sadly we could have and should have turned Russia into an ally. Instead the hated neocons pushed Russia into the arms of communist China. So now most of the world is allied with China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia against us. Well done neocons.

23 posted on 05/29/2023 5:18:51 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
Sadly we could have and should have turned Russia into an ally.

Right, maybe we could have turned nazi Germany into an ally? Moronic

hated neocons pushed Russia

Sure, "hated neocons" forced Russia to invade the Chechens starting Second Chechen War in 1999.

"Hated neocons" forced Russia to invade Georgia, seizing 20% of its land in 2008

"Hated neocons" forced Russia to invade Crimea and annex it from Ukraine in 2014.

"Hated neocons" forced Russia to invade Ukraine and start a separatist war in 2014.

"Hated neocons" forced Russia to invade Ukraine in 2022 trying to capture the capitol.

24 posted on 05/29/2023 5:26:34 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: McGruff

LOL

what American farm boys are being asked to fight in Ukraine?


25 posted on 05/29/2023 5:33:32 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: tlozo
Right, maybe we could have turned nazi Germany into an ally?

We turned post-nazi Germany into an ally. We could easily have turned post-soviet Russia into one. That is the point which appears to escape you.

Neoconunists are more aligned with the soviet top-down police state model of governance than the system of limited power and checks and balances which our Founding Fathers bequeathed to us.

26 posted on 05/29/2023 5:35:43 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee
We turned post-nazi Germany into an ally. We could easily have turned post-soviet Russia into one. That is the point which appears to escape you.

LOL, we "turned" post-nazi Germany into an ally by causing devastating losses to nazi Germany, which ended their imperial ambitions forever. Hint, hint

27 posted on 05/29/2023 6:07:44 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Sirius Lee

It’s very unlikely that we could have turned Russia under Putin into an ally. Putin has never accepted that the breakup of the USSR was legitimate.


28 posted on 05/29/2023 6:09:57 AM PDT by Salohcin
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To: tlozo
LOL, we "turned" post-nazi Germany into an ally by causing devastating losses to nazi Germany, which ended their imperial ambitions forever. Hint, hint

We devastated soviet Russia economically which ended the evil empire. Then some jackhole neoconunists completely fumbled - sabotaged really - the peace. Smell the damned coffee and buy yourself a clue.

29 posted on 05/29/2023 6:13:06 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Salohcin
It’s very unlikely that we could have turned Russia under Putin into an ally.

You mean Yeltsin.

30 posted on 05/29/2023 6:23:31 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee
We devastated soviet Russia economically which ended the evil empire.

Right, and that ended Russian imperialist ambition how?

In his annual state of the nation address on Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin called the collapse of the Soviet empire “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057

31 posted on 05/29/2023 6:39:41 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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The head of Wagner no longer sees a path to victory. Hopefully it will be over by the end of the second year, and the ‘little people’ can get on with farming and thier lives.

At this point, the Russians are hoping to hold on to Crimea. Then maybe Putin gets to survive.

32 posted on 05/29/2023 6:58:29 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: McGruff

He had 85,000 troops in Bakhmut. He left with 5,000. By his own admission.


33 posted on 05/29/2023 7:16:55 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: tlozo
Maybe the Chechens should not have massacred Russian women and children at Beslan. And how many died then Chechens held everyone at a movie theater in Moscow hostage. The Chechens are lucky Russia did not nuke them. But I don't think the neocon were involved in Chechnya.

The Crimea has been Russian since the days of Catherine the Great. But I would not be surprised if the neocons advised the stupid Zelenshy not to negotiate a deal with Russia. IIRC there was a deal on the table an the neocon told Z to walk away from it. Neocons love wars.

Zelenshy now finds himself in a real war, well he asked for it now hes' got it. I don't think things are going to work out well for him.

34 posted on 05/29/2023 7:56:57 AM PDT by jpsb
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o Maybe the Chechens should not have massacred Russian women and children at Beslan.

Over the years, I've wondered in the back of my mind, if that was Putin's "Reichstag Fire".

35 posted on 05/29/2023 7:58:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Over the years, I've wondered in the back of my mind, if that was Putin's "Reichstag Fire".

Nope, that was the Chechens.

36 posted on 05/29/2023 8:13:59 AM PDT by jpsb
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Nope, that was the Chechens.

Who ordered it? I mean I could be totally wrong, but then again, it proved to be pretty convenient for Putin, to build up his power.

37 posted on 05/29/2023 8:15:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: jpsb
IIRC there was a deal on the table an the neocon told Z to walk away from it. Neocons love wars.

Right, the "deal" that Ukraine was to disarm, with an army of just 60,000, never join NATO, establish russian as an official language, recognize Crimea as russian, and recognize Donbas and Luhansk as independent.

What a deal! All with the promise Putin would never invade Ukraine, which I'm sure can be relied on because we know Putin is a man of his word.

38 posted on 05/29/2023 8:20:47 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: dfwgator
1999 Russian apartment bombings

The Russian apartment bombings were a series of explosions that hit four apartment blocks in the Russian cities of Buynaksk, Moscow and Volgodonsk in September 1999, killing more than 300, injuring more than 1,000, and spreading a wave of fear across the country. The bombings, together with the Invasion of Dagestan, triggered the Second Chechen War. The handling of the crisis by Vladimir Putin, who was prime minister at the time, boosted his popularity greatly and helped him attain the presidency within a few months.

The blasts hit Buynaksk on 4 September and in Moscow on 9 and 13 September. On 13 September, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov made an announcement in the Duma about receiving a report that another bombing had just happened in the city of Volgodonsk. A bombing did indeed happen in Volgodonsk, but only three days later, on 16 September. Chechen militants were blamed for the bombings, but denied responsibility, along with Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov.

A suspicious device resembling those used in the bombings was found and defused in an apartment block in the Russian city of Ryazan on 22 September. On 23 September, Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the inhabitants of Ryazan and ordered the air bombing of Grozny, which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War. Three FSB agents who had planted the devices at Ryazan were arrested by the local police. The next day, FSB director Nikolay Patrushev announced that the incident in Ryazan had been an anti-terror drill and the device found there contained only sugar...

Attempts at an independent investigation faced obstruction. State Duma deputy Yuri Shchekochikhin filed two motions for a parliamentary investigation of the events, but the motions were rejected by the State Duma in March 2000. An independent public commission to investigate the bombings was chaired by Duma deputy Sergei Kovalev. The commission was rendered ineffective because of government refusal to respond to its inquiries. Two key members of the Kovalev Commission, Sergei Yushenkov and Yuri Shchekochikhin, have since died in apparent assassinations. The Commission's lawyer and investigator Mikhail Trepashkin was arrested and served four years in prison for revealing state secrets. Former FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko, who defected and blamed the FSB for the bombings, was poisoned and killed in London in 2006. A British inquiry later determined that Litvinenko's murder was "probably" carried out with the approval of Putin and Patrushev

39 posted on 05/29/2023 8:26:48 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: jpsb
Maybe the Chechens should not have massacred Russian women and children at Beslan. And how many died then Chechens held everyone at a movie theater in Moscow hostage.

How does the 2004 Beslan attack justify russians starting the Second Chechen War in 1999? The Moscow theater hostage crisis was in 2002.

40 posted on 05/29/2023 8:37:28 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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