I wonder if Elon is Superman or Batman?
Posted on 05/26/2023 11:14:30 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Ford electric vehicles (EV) are set to gain access to Tesla’s electric car chargers starting next year, the companies announced Thursday.
In a Twitter Spaces livestream, Tesla CEO Elon Musk and Ford CEO Jim Farley announced Thursday the partnership on Superchargers between the two companies. Starting in 2024, all of Ford’s existing customers and future customers will be able to access 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across the United States, the company leaders said.
“We’re really excited about that. We’re ramping production, and we think this is a huge move for our industry and for all electric customers,” Farley said, adding that this is a “really big deal” for Ford’s customers.
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Oh..................wrong superchargers.................
Tesla’s charging network has a much better reputation than electrify America, for example. That 12,000 is less than 10% the number of gas stations in the US.
Why does Tesla need stuffers?
I don’t know anybody who wants an electric car. A couple of Hybrids, yes, but no EV POSs.
12,000 stations?? That’s it?
How many gas stations are there ?
Part of that is because EA is owned by Volkswagen and is part of the government's punishment for dieselgate. That's probably why it's free charging for almost every EV owner for the first year or two. IMHO it distorts the charging market. Few entrepreneurs who'd otherwise consider setting up a charging station (say next to a restaurant they already own) will go through that expense if they fear the next Volkswagen settlement will force an EA station be built a block away with free charging for a year or two.
As an EV owner I hear fellow EV owners all the time say that the gubment ought to do something and make more charging stations. I reply all the time that the lack of chargers is because the government is doing too much.
How many gas stations are in the United States? The figure most experts estimate is about 111,000.
To clarify, this is 12K Tesla charging stations. Not counting stations of other companies (i.e. Electrify America, Chargepoint, EVGo) or even stand-alone chargers at hotels (many of them made by Clipper). For comparison, I believe there are about 12K or so Exxon gas stations. No one would say, "that's it?" about the 12K Exxon gas stations because there are many other brand name gas stations too.
Still, it should be a free market thing. EV's are good for some situations but not all.
Who’s going to pay for them?
EV owners (of which I'm one) charging at home (basically the ones who live in a house instead of an apartment) aren't spending time at the road charger for the normal commutes. The issue with lack of chargers comes in to play for people who can't charge at home (i.e. live in an apartment) or are on a road trip. And even on a road trip, some charging is done for free at a hotel (kind of like a complimentary breakfast).
That's not the case with ICE owners (of which I'm one), who need a gas station both for trips and for normal commutes. Thus, even if the total # of EV's equaled the total # of ICE cars, there would still need to be many more gas stations than road-side charging stations. And even then the free market is the best solution. If the government got out of the way and let people choose what car type to own and drive (my wife and I like both) and if the government got out of the way of supplying energy (i.e. oil and gas and power) as well as battery materials (i.e. we could mine cobalt from Minnesota) and got out of the way of the charging infrastructure (the Electrify America charging stations being forced by dieselgate settlements prevents entrepreneurs from setting up charging stations wherever they'd make money just like they set up gas stations), then everybody would get what they want.
I’m so old school, I immediately thought the same . . . superchargers on a Tesla? Really?
I wonder if Elon is Superman or Batman?
Gas Station near me put some of those chargers in. I have never seen them being used. Not once.
I am curious as to what is charged for using these EV chargers in the different venues where you find them. Of course, a lot of what you actually pay will depend on conditions as to how it is used...i.e...winter conditions, where lights or A/C is used, etc.
Howing about using a different method of utilizing the chargers. Any electricity for any type of EV charger should only be “green energy”. After all, isn’t that the supposed reason for the EVs in the first place? I know that could pose some problems, but anyone who owns an EV should be getting used to a few problems anyway.
Howing about using a different method of utilizing the chargers. Any electricity for any type of EV charger should only be “green energy”. After all, isn’t that the supposed reason for the EVs in the first place? I know that could pose some problems, but anyone who owns an EV should be getting used to a few problems anyway. No reason the industrial & household users of electricity should be helping to subsidize the production of the “green energy”because of excess use by EVs.
“Superchargers” will only have one definition here.
>>>12,000 stations?? That’s it?
How many gas stations are there <<<
That’s really not the right comparison. Not 12,000 stations. 12,000 chargers. A google search says the average gas station has between 6-12 pumps. Someone else posted there are 111K gas stations. Say 8 pumps per station on average, that makes 888,000 pumps in the USA. So superchargers are just 1.3% of the pumps available to regular drivers. There are even more pumps for trucks and fleets!
But even that’s not the whole story. EVs charge fastest when your battery is empty and you only partially charge up. In this scenario you can get about 200 miles in 15 minutes. To get another 200 miles it could take a whole hour. So let’s just use the best case for a tesla. 15 minutes gives you 200 miles. Well a car with 25 mpg can get that with 8 gallons, which takes less than 1 minute to pump. 0.8 minutes if the pump is going the proper speed. But really you’re just gonna fill up all the way and get 400+ miles in your gas tank. So if you have a car like a Camry, you spent less than 2 minutes getting over 400 miles of range. That would require TWO stops at a super charger in a Tesla for a combined 30 minutes.
Why am I bothering to give u the time? Because as we all know sometimes there’s a crowd at the gas station. But if the guy in front of you is only taking 2 minutes to fill up, your wait won’t be that long. But if the guy in front you at a supercharger wants to top his battery all the way up, it could take up to a full hour. Enjoy your road trip in your Tesla folks!
Won’t there have to be chargers placed in many places that you would never find/need a gas station? The use of a fully charged EV and the mileage one travels seems to have a lot of guess work involved. What if I use the heat/ac or need to run the headlights or wipers non stop? ‘Last chance for gas’ doesn’t meet the potential need of EV’s. Having to make a run across South Dakota during the winter season will be dicey without chargers popping up periodically. There will have to be many more chargers than gas pumps.
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