Posted on 05/25/2023 3:30:27 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
Fresh off his claim of victory in capturing the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Russian mercenary boss Yevgeniy Prigozhin warned that Moscow’s brutal war could plunge Russia into turmoil similar to the 1917 revolution unless its detached, wealthy elites become more directly committed to the conflict.
In a lengthy interview with Konstantin Dolgov, a political operative and pro-war blogger, Prigozhin, the founder and leader of the Wagner mercenary group, also asserted that the war has backfired spectacularly by failing to “demilitarize” Ukraine, one of President Vladimir Putin’s stated aims of the invasion. He also called for totalitarian policies.
“We are in a situation where we can simply lose Russia,” Prigozhin said, using an expletive to hammer his point. “We must introduce martial law. We unfortunately … must announce new waves of mobilization; we must put everyone who is capable to work on increasing the production of ammunition,” he said. “Russia needs to live like North Korea for a few years, so to say, close the borders … and work hard.”
Citing public anger at the lavish lifestyles of Russia’s rich and powerful, Prigozhin warned that their homes could be stormed by people with “pitchforks.” He singled out Ksenia Shoigu, the daughter of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, who was spotted vacationing in Dubai with her fiancé, Alexei Stolyarov, a fitness blogger.
“The children of the elite shut their traps at best, and some allow themselves a public, fat, carefree life,” Prigozhin said in the interview, which was released Wednesday on video. “This division might end as in 1917, with a revolution — when first the soldiers rise up, and then their loved ones follow.”
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Ask him.
Probably. It’s none of the American Taxpayer’s business.
kiryandil was targeted and baited by a couple of your headhunter pals. He was suspended because you folks hate the truth. This kind of headhunting behavior should be a bannable offense here at FreeRepublic. If you can’t beat him, get him silenced I guess. I hear he’s just fine.
“Here we have another of your posts from him where you will end up, once again, looking ridiculous.”
Oh that knife cuts both ways....
From the internet. You are a master of these war propaganda rules.
A British diplomat, Lord Ponsonby (1871-1946), cited the perennial propaganda claims of wartime leaders in his book, “Falsehood in Wartime.” Belgian historian Anne Morelli condensed 10 principles of wartime propaganda out of this book.
1. We do not want war.
2. The other side is solely responsible for the war.
3. The enemy has the face of the devil.
4. It is a noble cause that we defend and not particular interests.
5. The enemy commits atrocities knowingly; if we make unfortunate mistakes, it is involuntary.
6. The enemy uses unauthorized weapons.
7. We suffer very few losses, while the losses of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals support our cause.
9. Our cause has a sacred nature.
10. Those who question our statements are traitors.
9. Our cause has a sacred nature.
That is the defining one that wins and loses wars. When you have a side that pushes homosexual depravity on the world, then that side has lost ALL MORAL authority. That is the side that is going to lose. Few soldiers want to fight for a regime that pushes sexual sadistic perversion.
Unfortunately, that side is the Western countries lead by the Biden Deep State. And may they be painfully exterminated forever.
Right, Putin did not invade neighboring independent Ukraine for territorial gain. NATO forced his hand. Idiocy
"We came rudely, walked with our boots all over Ukraine in search of Nazis"
"While looking for Nazis, we bumped off everyone we could"
"We approached Kyiv, ...shat our pants and pulled out"
"how have we demilitarized Ukraine? ... on the contrary, hell knows how, have militarized Ukraine.
Wagner Group: 20,000 Troops Have Died Taking Bakhmut
In a video interview posted on Telegram late Tuesday, the head of the Russian paramilitary group Wagner said that 20,000 of his troops had been killed in the battle for Bakhmut.
Not going to happen. Putin has an 80% favorability in Russia. Love or hate him.
Yup, they will love him in the next new conscription of Moscow and St. Petersburg residents.
Pyrrhic Victory seems to ring a bell.
I’m glad you agree about this Timber Rattler’s posting of ridiculous DC warmongering disinfo.
Nope, I know what a Pyrrhic victory is. Take some time to understand how Russia fights war. Forgive me as I do not recall the Russian term for it but basically they follow a drawn out engagement tenet, wear the opponent down.
The west prefers a quick win and this is not happening in Ukraine. Given all the western media declarations of how Russia is “losing” and instead they take a major strategic city, one would at least be wise to consider perhaps it is not as our media presents it.
Or put another way Occam’s Razor might apply here. The simplest explanation may be the right one, Russia is not losing near as much as we are being told, if at all.
There seems to be a lot of special pleading and strained logic used in explaining how Ukraine is crushing the Russian forces and at the same time losing ground to Russia at every turn.
I didnt say that.
“Both”
This is what they resort to, as they’re demonstrably incapable of fighting more effectively.
If you honestly believe they intended to invade Ukraine and loses thousands of vehicles, to the point they’re refurbishing 70 year old tanks to put on the front line, you’re deluded.
This is the best they can do. Advance 3km in 9 months of brutal fighting. Look at the map from March 2022 and tell me how you think the Russians have performed since then:
How does one objectively review the reverses they’re suffered in the field since March of 2022? Can you imagine if, a few months into the invasion of Iraq, the US was dusting off Korean War era tanks to ship to the front lines? That’s why this ends at best as a Pyrrhic victory for Putin as he watches his military get incinerated.
I would think the Russ fanbois would be disturbed seeing the need for T-55s by Russia, but they seem immune to rational observation.
The problem I have is believing anything the media you are now quoting is accurate. If you recall Russia had no chance of taking Bakhmut yet they have. There was supposed to be a Ukraine Spring offensive but there hasn’t.
Why do so many find it so hard to have at least a little bit of healthy skepticism and entertain the notion not all is as it is portrayed?
He said this just yesterday:
Prigozhin: We fought in Bakhmut against superior forces, destroyed about 50,000 Ukrainian Armed Forces and wounded up to 70,000
▪️ PMC "Wagner" had 3.2 times fewer dead than the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and about 2 times fewer wounded.
▪️ The PMC in Artyomovsk had 50,000 people at its best, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 82,000, and the ratio for the assault should be 3 to 1 for the attackers.
▪️During the operation, I chose 50,000 prisoners, 20% of them died, another 20% were injured.
▪️The goal of Artemovsk was not Artemovsk itself, but the Bakhmut Meat Grinder. And in Artemovsk, we destroyed everyone we were supposed to destroy, we completed the task.
▪️The task was completed due to the highest level of organization.
▪️We have our own: planes, helicopters, air defense, artillery, MLRS, reconnaissance and even our own satellite reconnaissance.
BTW...
1. We do not want war.
Russia does not want war, Putin says - BBC News
2. The other side is solely responsible for the war.
Putin says it was 'forced' to invade Ukraine in speech at Russia Victory Day parade
3. The enemy has the face of the devil.
Russia now says it must ‘de-Satanize’ Ukraine. What?
4. It is a noble cause that we defend and not particular interests.
Putin defends war in Ukraine as 'noble'
5. The enemy commits atrocities knowingly; if we make unfortunate mistakes, it is involuntary.
Putin’s Baseless Claims of Genocide Hint at More Than War
6. The enemy uses unauthorized weapons.
Putin accuses Ukraine of 'dirty bomb' plans, says risks of world conflict high
7. We suffer very few losses, while the losses of the enemy are enormous.
'Russia has not lost anything,' says Putin
8. Artists and intellectuals support our cause.
Ukraine war: Russian artists back Putin or face censorship
9. Our cause has a sacred nature.
Putin touts 'sacred' battle with West in Ukraine as Russia marks pared back Victory Day
10. Those who question our statements are traitors.
President Putin Calls Russians Against Invasion ‘Scum And Traitors’
Are you unaware of where the front lines were in March of 2022 before the Russians began wholesale retreats from Kiev, Nikolaev, Chernigov, Sumy, Kharkov and Snake island? Do you think the Russians were lying about having been there at all, or why they retreated?
If you recall Russia had no chance of taking Bakhmut yet they have.
I don't recall that at all. What sources did you see that in? I would put it on par with MacGregor for credibility. What I have seen is Russia declare their intent to take Bakhmut when their troops were about 3KM from the city last August:
On 1 August, Russian forces launched massive ground attacks on settlements south and southeast of Bakhmut. Both the Russian Ministry of Defense and pro-Russian Telegram pages claimed that the battle of Bakhmut had begun.
There was supposed to be a Ukraine Spring offensive but there hasn’t.
Anyone expecting a Ukrainian spring offensive should familiarize themselves with the Rasputitsa, and how it affected mechanized military operations 80 years ago in that region.
Why do so many find it so hard to have at least a little bit of healthy skepticism and entertain the notion not all is as it is portrayed?
I'm wondering when the folks who watched the Russians retreat from Kiev, Chernigov, Sumy, Snake island, and get chased from Kherson and Kharkov, don't have a little skepticism themselves about proclamations of imminent Russian victory.
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