Was there fraud in the 2020 election, absolutely yes, did it affect the outcome of the election, most likely.
It’s also true that candidates that made stolen elections part of their campaign, lost in multiple states.
You can’t make changes to election laws until you actually win elections first.
Continuing to harp on stolen elections only gets you one defeat after another, when people can’t afford gasoline, food, shelter and don’t have a job.
talking about stolen elections only riles up those like me that believe the election was stolen.... to win we don’t ignore this but also it won’t win a presidential election if we get stuck in the weeds talking about it. best to point out the crap currently happening with the democrat party... I think dems are real vulnerable to the hypocrisy they are causing in the court system.
Harping, yes. Doing something? No. But, we've done nothing to end the fraud, so it will continue. I will be voting for Trump in '24, but I expect him to lose due to the fraud that will commence.
Kari Lake is not giving up. And her 'harping' about her stolen election keeps revealing more and more of the fraud that happened, and the AZ Supremes are now allowing her to view the hundreds of thousands of mail-ins that whistle-blowers said had signatures that looked nothing like what was on the books.
“You can’t make changes to election laws until you actually win elections first.”
You can’t win without free and fair elections. It is not that hard to understand. DeSantis turned Florida from Purple to Deep Red the second he fired the Dade Country Supervisor of elections. Florida was able to count all it votes in hours and is the third largest state (millions more voters than most). It used to take Dade County days if not weeks to count. By the way this change did not happen only for him. DeSantis won Florida by 200,000, Trump won Florida by over 600,000 in 2020. In 2018 DeSantis barely beat a homosexual cokehead by a few thousand votes. The state changed in 2 years by firing one person who would count vote fairly.
And yes we should harp and not be cowards.
It is a fact that millions of votes were not signature checked.
It is a fact that Drop boxes had no video monitoring or had their line of site blocked.
It is a fact Zuckerberg illegally paid out 400 Million Dollars for Dropboxes.
It is a fact 50 Intel Officials Fraudulently Signed the letter about Hunter’s Laptop.
It is a fact FBI meet with all social media companies to censor dissident voices and NY the Post.
It is a fact 100s of thousands of votes did not have a proper chain of custody.
It is a fact 100,000s ballot adjudications were done outside of two parties and not properly supervised.
It is a fact millions of ballots were mailed out illegally against state consitutions.
It is a fact a lot of elderly care homes had 100% participation and some black precincts over 100%.
It is a fact that several precincts’ military voted 80% for Biden (never happened in history). Military votes Republicans.
It is a fact they covered up windows at counting centers so the public could not witness the vote counting.
It is a fact they used COVID to keep Republican election watchers ten feet away during counts in heavily Democrat areas.
It is a fact that Dropbox videos were illegally deleted in several states so reviews could not happen.
It is a fact that they set the machines alogirythm to kick out excessive ballots for adjudication and subject huge numbers of ballots to arbitrary change.
It is a fact in AZ 58% of the ballot tabulators failed logic and accuracy testing.
It is a fact in AZ Maricpa County according to “testimony of over 200 witnesses who were voters at vote centers, 59% of Maricopa County vote centers experienced severe malfunctions of tabulators.
It is a fact Pennsylvania failed to maintain accurate voter rolls per federal law. Other swing states too.
It is a fact vote rules were unconstitutionally changed without the state legislatures.
It is not a fact that Biden outperformed every living previous president in history by 20,000,000 votes. The clown could not draw a crowd of 50 and insulted blacks weekly.
To get away with it all you need is a corrupted media and political establishment that won’t tolerate dissent so they can keep the power away from the people. Election fraud has a long history outside of Trump.
Are you kidding? Arizona is the poster child for garbage corrupt elections. Kari Lake did not lose, she was cheated by a system that was completely corrupt.
And they are now starting to put forth some of the proof about how corrupt was the election in Arizona.
And so you seem to think if corruption in elections wasn't fixed, we were going to have fair elections, and all the candidates that talked about corrupt elections lost fair and square?
Hello? Corrupt elections makes the results corrupt, and of course the people who talked about doing something about corrupt elections didn't win. Hell, in Arizona, the gal running for governor *CONTROLLED THE ELECTION*.
“Continuing to harp on stolen elections only gets you one defeat after another...”
Evidently you DeSantis-bots can’t handle verbs. The correct verb is not harp, but mention. I have heard Trump give two hour long speeches, and he will mention it for two or three minutes. And it is sure to happen again if it is not mentioned and warned about.
Strange that you should say that since many of Trump's losses happened in states that illegally changed election laws either by EO or corrupt courts. Even more strange no court has agreed to hear any case where election laws were changed but not approved by the state legislators who are the only authority that can do that.
It’s hard to harp on a problem that actually exists and particularly one that is of such significance.
“You can’t make changes to election laws until you actually win elections first.”
While that’s true, do you have a plan for winning an election when the system is already rigged against you? It’s a difficult situation to be in. And while there may be legitimate differences of opinion on the best options available moving forward, not talking about the problem isn’t one of them.