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POLISH GENERALS FINALLY ADMIT THE OBVIOUS
Sonar21 ^ | 9 May24 | Mike Krupa

Posted on 05/09/2023 6:24:08 PM PDT by delta7

To the surprise of many, voices of sanity are finally beginning to break through in the rigid media atmosphere in Poland as it relates to the war in Ukraine. In a country that has been at the forefront of supporting the regime in Kiev and where state institutions do not shy away from vigorously prosecuting infringements on the official propaganda line, whereby Moscow is the Evil Empire, Vladimir Putin is Adolf Hitler and Volodymyr Zelensky is (who else?) Winston Churchill, such a change in tone coming from representatives of the Polish military elites is indicative of a turning point. What is more, these are not the premonitions of some antiwar dissidents, but of the crème de la crème of the Polish military elites.

During a strategic debate at the presidential National Security Office, General Rajmund Andrzejczak, Chief of the General Staff of the Polish Armed Forces, made clear his pessimistic assessment of the effects of Western efforts aimed at strengthening Ukraine’s hand on the battlefield. After pointing out that, “war was, is, and there is no indication that it will be otherwise, a policy, and it has an essential number of economic factors in its determinants: finance, infrastructure issues, social issues, technology, food production, and a whole set of issues that need to be put into this box to understand this war, he stressed”, Andrzejczak went on to observe that Russia will not be running out of resources to prosecute the Special Military Operation anytime soon. “Those financial instruments it [Russia] had before the war, the dynamics of spending and the effectiveness of sanctions or the whole complex economic situation indicate that Russia will have the money for the war” – Andrzejczak stated.

Ukraine, on the other hand, according to the General, “has huge financial problems.” He noted that there is no indication in the near future that Ukrainians who fled the war will return home and begin the process of rebuilding their country. Andrzejczak states that as a soldier he considers it his duty to tell it like it is. “We simply don’t have the ammunition. The industry is not ready not only to send equipment to Ukraine, but also to replenish our stocks, which are melting. This awareness is not the same as it is here on the Vistula, and this absolutely must be communicated, without anesthesia, to everyone and in all forums where it is possible, which I am doing” – Andrzejczak pointed out.

Of course, Andrzejczak, while making these observations, still wants NATO’s proxy war against Russia to continue and he obviously prefers to see a Ukrainian victory, but as a report in Zububrothers points out: “Nobody should therefore doubt Andrzejczak’s intentions or suspect that he’s a so-called ‘Russian agent’ since he sincerely wants the West to win its proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, but he’s also very worried that it might lose unless his side acknowledges the unpopular truths that he just shared.”

This is a welcome development, such obvious and yet unpopular truths up until a few weeks back were, in the current Polish media atmosphere, considered to be Russian propaganda. Any such observations were always met by angry reactions on par with the recent cringeworthy and absurd words of the Polish Prime Minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, who in an interview with BBC assured the audience that that a war between Russia and NATO would end in Moscow’s defeat. How Morawiecki imagines such a scenario considering the blunt words of Poland’s top general about the lack of ammunition is anyone’s guess. It is just another example of a Western politician speaking on a topic he does not understand, even if his very public ignorance comes at the price of more dead Ukrainian soldiers.

But General Andrzejczak is not the only one making uncomfortable waves. Retired General Waldemar Skrzypczak, who has been making the television, radio and newspaper rounds in the last few months, making what could only be described as unhinged observations and predictions, ranging from the Russians being 2-3 days away from losing the war, Russians committing a holocaust in Ukraine, Russian logistics being paralyzed, Russians running out of ammunition and manpower, seems to have finally seen the light.

In a recent appearance alongside Dr. Wojciech Szewko, who himself made several lucid observations about the changing geopolitical landscape, after months of belittling Moscow and its military prowess, Skrzypczak made a startling statement: “I think the truth is that the Russians are winning.” He then went to elaborate on the criticality of sufficient supplies and training provided to the Ukrainians, considering the truly dire situation on the battlefield. Taken together, Skrzypczak’s words from said interview are a total reversal of most of what he has been saying up to now. “If the Americans say now that they were building 9 armored brigades, these 9 armored brigades are only there to conduct small, shallow operational activities. If one talks about a counteroffensive, that is a term that is practically strategic in nature. For such an attack, for such a counteroffensive, one would need not 9, but rather 19-20 armored brigades” – Skrzypczak observed. The point of the spearhead apparently being prepared by Ukraine for the Spring counteroffensive, according to the general, is to penetrate deeply into Russian lines and that requires that the main attacking force needs its flanks to be protected. But, as stated by Skrzypczak, to achieve a breakthrough “this potential has to be three times larger than the one declared by the Americans.” Skrzypczak then goes on to pour cold water on the vast majority of what he himself has been saying in the past year:

“Ukraine does not have the potential to take back 20% of its territories. If she were to re-take them, she would need a 3-1 advantage over the Russian army along the entire front on the strategic level, she would need around 2 million soldiers to rout them. They have no chance of this because they do not have the equipment. The plants in the West have no such possibilities, such potential. Hence the efforts on the part of the diplomats to end this conflict as it could turn out in a few months that we will not have anything to help Ukraine with.”

These admissions seem to dovetail neatly not only with the recent revelations made manifest by the leaks of highly classified NATO documents pertaining to the prosecution of the war in Ukraine, but also with the words of General Christopher Cavoli, commander of United States European Command (EUCOM) and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, who testified on April 27th before the House Armed Services Committee and made relevant comments on the strength of the Russian military after one year of war in Ukraine. According to Cavoli, Russia has hardly taken any damage during the conflict.

So much for Russians running out of missiles.

These recent observations by generals Andrzejczak and Skrzypczak, obvious to anyone who simply listened to what representatives of the collective West were themselves saying, however reluctantly, in the last 6 months, can signify one of three things.

One possibility is that Warsaw has been told directly and firmly that Ukraine is on its way to losing the war and there is nothing NATO can do to prevent this outcome, short of nuclear war, and changes in the official narrative need to be initiated to prepare the public for the (oh the irony!) shock and awe of raw truth disseminating through the tv, radio and internet waves. Calling for a negotiated settlement in this scenario will no longer be considered to be acting in accordance with the Kremlin’s nefarious and devious wishes, as the Government plenipotentiary for the security of the Polish information space, Stanisław Żaryn (aka the Polish Baghdad Bob of combating “Russian disinformation”), would have us believe, but rather be a reflection of common sense and an acute survival instinct.

The second possibility is that we are dealing with a clueless class of military officers, who have no comprehension of Russian military doctrine, tactics, operational art and have for years internalizing the NATO-centric narrative of “the West and the rest”, without any regard for the multipolar reality emerging all around them. As Andrei Martyanov never ceases to point out in his books and highly recommended blog, one cannot underestimate the ignorance of the current Western elites in all things having to do with the real economy, tangibles, geopolitical strategy and military potential.

The third possibility is that such figures as the aforementioned generals knew the score from the very beginning, but instead chose to play political games, engage in lies in order not to rock the boat and fed the political leadership fairy tales of impending Russian defeat. On the other hand, emulating their Pentagon overlords when it comes to having “issues” with the truth would not come as a surprise. I, for one, cannot decide which of the three options is worse. Especially in the case of General Skrzypczak, who remains the literal the go to guy for media outlets from left to right, to do such a 180 must come as a shock to many. Whether the general realizes it or not and no matter the spin he might try to put on it now. To say he has egg all over his face would be an understatement.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: putinista; russianpropaganda; war
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The reality, good to see some truth spoken. I am now expecting senile Joe to “ Afghanistan “ Zelensky and his corrupted government in the near future.
1 posted on 05/09/2023 6:24:08 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

Sounds fake if he’s calling it a special military operation and not war.


2 posted on 05/09/2023 6:25:46 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: for-q-clinton

Well this guy also said there was no way the Ukraine khereson offensive would succeed. So there u go.


3 posted on 05/09/2023 6:35:38 PM PDT by dominusobiscum (A Christians true heart can be revealed by how they treat others anonymously on discussion forums.)
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To: dominusobiscum

The Kherson “offensive” was only a success insofar as it represented a gain of territory for the Kiev regime- it was tragic for the civilians foolish enough to go back to oversight of the Banderites, of course, but not much changed for Russia, save more defensible lines, minor loss of some stores which it has in volume, and a propaganda “defeat” amongst NATO acolytes (kinda irrelevant). I fully expect all of Novorossiya to be a part of Russia when this ridiculous last gasp of a failed and degenerate secular West is over. Ukrainian manpower and military capacity is quite a finite capacity- the Russian military (which even pre 2022 was quite a bit more experienced in modern military conflicts- compared to the ridiculous [unfortunate] performance of USA and strategic L’s inherent. The myth of USA military superiority is a hard but necessary admission for this nation. It is a necessary pillar of any future redemption for a political entity bereft of legitimacy. The proxy war in the Ukraine should be enough to admit this with minimal direct costs, but regime propagandists are hysterical.


4 posted on 05/09/2023 6:47:15 PM PDT by mikegreenwell39
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The West’s military industrial complex gets to build more stuff now that the old stuff has been depleted.


5 posted on 05/09/2023 6:48:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: delta7

“here is no indication in the near future that Ukrainians who fled the war will return home”

Millions have I read recently.


6 posted on 05/09/2023 7:01:46 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: delta7

This war is much like WWI (lots of deaths to gain very little land).


7 posted on 05/09/2023 7:04:31 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: mikegreenwell39

Recapturing territory was the goal and it succeeded.


8 posted on 05/09/2023 7:17:12 PM PDT by dominusobiscum (A Christians true heart can be revealed by how they treat others anonymously on discussion forums.)
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To: delta7

I resent like h-e-l-l that no debate, and no denial, was ever issued by any NATO government to Putin’s speech on practically the eve of the ready “special operation”.

Instead, in order to keep Neanderthalian thinkers, soaked in ignorance and subjugated to lies, alone, Putin’s speech was suppressed worldwide, entirely blown off with mockery, or insults, by Big State Western Media.

Shelling first time listeners, Putin gave chapter and verse, in 60 speedy minutes, of Ukraine-Russia history given on the near eve of... the “special operation”. No notes. No prompters. Just Putin in calm
and confident grasp of the facts, as Russians experienced them, one at a time.

That is, with the exception of Chancellor Angela Murkle who eventually coughed up the confirmation of the West’s intention to sign off the Second Minsk Agreement and NEVER keep it, but only to buy time for UKRAINE to prepare for war [a killing field for using Ukrainians as fertilizer for their Western proxy war].

The sorrow for Ukrainians is real, for the “meat grinding” of conscripts and soldiers.

The problem is the USA is leading the death march. Americans and Europe are going broke, and Europeans are being demiliterized.

Wonder why O’Biden pushes warring in Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan, Syria, China? Wonder why that is? Who gains but China. These people are sick.


9 posted on 05/09/2023 7:20:06 PM PDT by RitaOK (WE ARE OCCUPIED. imo.... UNTIL WE FIGHT.)
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To: dominusobiscum

Temporary gain of territory within the context of a looming strategic defeat (which all but the most ignorant or well paid propagandists/ true believers admit is a fait accomplis) is not a “victory”. The Ukraine and USA/ NATO have had very few of those, and at ruinous cost, in this conflict.


10 posted on 05/09/2023 7:28:26 PM PDT by mikegreenwell39
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To: for-q-clinton

“ Sounds fake if he’s calling it a special military operation and not war.”
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You mean kind of like how we called the unpleasantness in Korea a “police action” where we had not declared war? Russia has not yet declared war on Ukraine.


11 posted on 05/09/2023 7:29:33 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: delta7; All

“Sonar 21” = Russian propaganda

IGNORE


12 posted on 05/09/2023 7:31:58 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative

I agree, it’s blatant Russian propaganda !
I checked on other sources, nothing about that text is corroborated anywhere.


13 posted on 05/09/2023 7:43:17 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: delta7

In a single day you can get three different stories of the Ukraine fight on freerepublic.

The Russians are getting flogged.
The ukes are getting flogged.
It’s a WW1 trench standoff.

We won’t really know until the end of Joe’s second term.


14 posted on 05/09/2023 7:51:44 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: House Atreides

Poland and the west are calling out a war. Russia can call it what they want.


15 posted on 05/09/2023 8:50:01 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: delta7

Globalists are absolutely delighted to have this meat grinder which is killing and forever maiming huge numbers of white Christian activists continue.


16 posted on 05/09/2023 8:53:53 PM PDT by allendale
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To: delta7
Another dot to connect for the explanation of our present day neocon CIA and State department behavior. Keep in mind that Allen Dulles was the CIA director and also an 'investigator' in the JFK assassination.

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Yesterday, Garland Nixon did a report that extends the above report to present day Nazi activities.

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17 posted on 05/09/2023 9:36:43 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: delta7
General Rajmund Andrzejczak is looking at it from a Polish perspective. Ukraine is in bad shape. Poland is on the border with Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, and the Kalingrad (Russian) Oblast on the Baltic. They are very vulnerable to attack and he is trying to pull back from a bad situation. Ukraine is "lost". The Russians will carve it up to their advantage. The best he can hope for is for Poland to maintain her present borders and stay out of war with Russia.
18 posted on 05/09/2023 10:45:12 PM PDT by Gritty (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution. - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Gritty

The Polish General is probably aware that the 101st Airborne is also in Poland and manning our European headquarters of V Corps that Trump reactivated and placed there, Britain and a couple of other NATO nations have troops in Poland also.

He probably also knows that Lithuania has German, Belgium, Czech Republic, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Norway troops in it.


19 posted on 05/09/2023 10:54:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: delta7

Whatever side - or no side - one might be on, we have to agree on the following:

” As Andrei Martyanov never ceases to point out in his books and highly recommended blog, one cannot underestimate the ignorance of the current Western elites in all things having to do with the real economy, tangibles, geopolitical strategy and military potential.”


20 posted on 05/09/2023 11:17:49 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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