Posted on 05/08/2023 8:48:47 AM PDT by King_Corey
ATLANTA, Ga. (Atlanta News First) - A federal appeals court has ruled police can shoot hostages — even intentionally — if they fear for their lives or to stop a fleeing felon.
The case is more than just a legal footnote to Don Davis. The Georgia truck driver was shot nine times by troopers and deputies who were trying to stop a murder suspect holding Davis hostage in his truck.
While the shooting occurred in 2015, the U.S. Supreme Court just this week let stand a federal court ruling that police owe the hostage nothing for his medical bills or the lasting effects of the officer-inflicted gunshot wounds.
(Excerpt) Read more at atlantanewsfirst.com ...
Well the folks keep saying if you don’t want to get shot comply. I guess that includes don’t let your kidnapper force you to not comply.
The police have never had a duty of care. Read the case law involving that question.
From that Sandra Bullock movie, The Bus:
Harry Temple : Alright, pop quiz. Airport, gunman with a hostage. He’s using her for cover. He’s almost to a plane. You’re one hundred feet away.
[Jack doesn’t respond]
Harry Temple : Jack?
Jack : Shoot the hostage.
Harry Temple : What?
Jack : Take her out of the equation. Go for the good wound and he can’t get to the plane with her. Clear shot.
Harry Temple : You’re deeply nuts, you know that? “Shoot the hostage.”
[chuckles]
Jack : Harry, this is wrong. He’s gonna blow it anyway.
Harry Temple : Why?
Jack : I don’t know, gut feeling.
Harry Temple : Yeah, well, right now Mac outranks your gut. So we sit.
Jack : How much you think that elevator weights?
Harry Temple : Jack, come on!
Jack : Maybe we can do something about those hostages.
Harry Temple : We’re not gonna shoot em right?
“Any police department (or university faculty, or military unit, etc.) is only as good as the worst psycho they tolerate.” ~ H/T RedStateRocker
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Good quote. I’ve always said this...“Any police department is only as good as the people they serve and protect.”
If you have scummy crummy cops, then move out of Memphis, Portland, Minneapolis, etc. Scumbags elects scumbags who hire scumbags as cops.
‘The government you elect is the government you deserve.’
Thomas Jefferson
The police had every reason to believe they were targeting the fugitive. The police were told the fugitive was driving the truck and they targeted the driver of the truck. Instead the fugitive was on the floor of the truck. IOW, mistaken identity.
Cops are far to dangerous to allow them to have guns.
Eric Olsen: Ha ha ha what??? Uh, so, wait a minute, he was told by a former employer, if you ever, you better never get a job where you have influence over others, an authority position, or I’ll do whatever it takes to stop you. So wouldn’t becoming a cop kinda give him the ultimate authority over people?
Dr. Cole: Well, you know, lucky for all these other people, he kept moving from county to county so they weren’t really, uh, yeah, it is the ultimate authority he was just moving around so people wouldn’t know what he was doing, and I think getting out of the teaching profession they didn’t know what he was going to do.
He eventually applied to the Broward County Police Unit; he was rejected, though, because he failed the psychological test.
Eric Olsen: Oh that’s it he’s out of the career. No career for him He’s obviously unstable…
Dr. Cole: One, you know what? One would think so, and I actually used to perform these psych tests, and oh, do I have stories! You would think that it would even, it’s supposed to, let me tell you how it’s supposed to work, it’s supposed to prevent you from getting a job as a police officer or a prison guard.
Eric Olsen: Sure.
Dr. Cole: Does that always occur?
Eric Olsen: I would hope that it does.
Dr. Cole: No, no, no, I would say 50% of the time.
Eric Olsen: What?
Dr. Cole: It’s supposed to be a be a requirement, a REQUIREMENT, if you don’t pass, if you are not psychologically fit, you are not supposed to become a police officer or a prison guard. Does that actually preclude you from becoming a police officer even as long ago as what, 2005? No, I was doing them in 2005. Half of the people I rejected still became a cop.
>Honest citizens are forbidden to shoot the police.
I believe there was a court case in Indiana that allows a citizen to shoot a cop under certain home self defense circumstances.
I’ve been waiting for the YouTube clip of that
C’mon...During the summer of 2020 leftist riots, innocent people were being assaulted en mass, on video, right in front of the cops, who did nothing to stop it.
I thought police were only allowed to shoot dogs.
Topeka KS case. Cops went into wrong house. Cop at door gets killed. Cops said they announced “police-search warrant”. 3-4 neighbors said, they didn’t. Audio recording nearby proves police lied. Guy got off. Cops retaliated acquittal with following this guy around and giving tickets to his wife and adult son. Moved away after a year. Successfully sued. Circa early 90s.
“Next up: When a wanted individual forces their way into your home the police can level your house and everyone in it.”
Too late.
Can we blame the FReaking lawyers?
All the county and state had to do was pay the man’s medical bills and make it right with him financially.
How much did it cost the county and the state to take this to SCOTUS?
I note that Davis’ attorney worked pro-bono - not all lawyers are jerks!
Moral of the story
Don’t allow yourself to be taken hostage
“When you can shoot the hostages before you start the negotiating, it sends a strong message to the criminal.”
After debating this stuff with you in the past, I realize you actually do believe this is an acceptable mind set and are not just being sarcastic.
Any and all collateral damage is acceptable... Do whatever it takes at all costs to “get your man”.
This law may have been inspired by that event:
New Indiana Law Gives Residents Right to Resist Police
A new law likely makes Indiana the only state where people are allowed to shoot cops under certain circumstances. The change, police officials say, not only puts officer’s safety at risk but the public’s too.
https://www.governing.com/archive/residents-given-right-to-resist-police-under-new-indiana-law.html
Thirty eight comments and not one with the idea that police were never in the public protection business. That’s a mafia endeavour. Police tape off the scene, draw pictures of the crime scene, and begin an investigation.
With apologies to the Policeman who took out the Allen Texas shooter before he took out a hundred people.
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