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Russian Wagner Group leader says his troops will pull out of Ukraine's Bakhmut in days
CBC news ^ | May 5, 2023

Posted on 05/05/2023 7:24:03 AM PDT by jerod

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To: jerod

Russia is doing this to Wagner so they can declare victory and not wagner.


81 posted on 05/05/2023 12:46:05 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

It’s more like the Dallas Cowboy’s playing Podunk HS and winning by only 2 points. And they are so beat up they can’t play next week.

It really is remarkable at how terrible Russia’s military has performed.


82 posted on 05/05/2023 12:48:11 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: PGR88

No, it isn’t. Ukraine is in an existential fight for its very survival; Russia is not. Ukraine posed no threat whatsoever to Russia; it especially posed no existential threat.


83 posted on 05/05/2023 1:37:20 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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>> Go ahead and tell them

In an authoritarian personal dictatorship system only one person’s opinion matters anyway.


84 posted on 05/05/2023 1:37:42 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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Ukraine posed no threat whatsoever to Russia; it especially posed no existential threat.

this is the (false) foundation of all neocon bullshit regarding Ukraine.

85 posted on 05/05/2023 1:46:12 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

Isolationist drivel


86 posted on 05/05/2023 1:48:11 PM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: PGR88

“this is the (false) foundation of all neocon bullshit regarding Ukraine.”

Nice try, kid. Russia is an eleven time-zone country, and Ukraine is a one time-zone country; Russia’s population is more than three times that of Ukraine; Russia’s GDP dwarfed that of Ukraine; Russia’s military, overall, is far more formidable than Ukraine’s.

Russia wanted the natural resources and minerals of eastern Ukraine. That is the reason for this war in a nutshell.

But, that is the foundation of this war that neocom(munists) avoid like the plague.


87 posted on 05/05/2023 1:55:16 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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Nice try, kid. Russia is an eleven time-zone country, and Ukraine is a one time-zone country;

Yeah, even if they lost one time zone, no one would even notice! Gibs me dat!

Wasn't that the basis of the "Lebensraum" argument?

88 posted on 05/05/2023 1:59:21 PM PDT by PGR88
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“Yeah, even if they lost one time zone, no one would even notice! Gibs me dat! Wasn’t that the basis of the ‘Lebensraum’ argument?”

Are you actually implying that Ukraine wanted to take part of Russia for living space?


89 posted on 05/05/2023 2:02:30 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: dominusobiscum

LOL now comparing Biden to Reagan?

The USA and Reagan objectives in Afghanistan were clearcut - all part of the effort to bog down the Soviet Union and keep them from getting a breakout all the way south into Iran’s and Iraq’s oil fields and perhaps to menace India as well.

The Biden and USA objectives in Ukraine aren’t nearly as evident or beneficial to us.

Do we have to add RDS Prime to the list of derangement syndromes that afflict Freepers?

TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

RDS Beta (DeSantis Derangement Syndrome)

RDS Prime (Reagan Derangement Syndrome)


90 posted on 05/05/2023 3:47:33 PM PDT by Old West Conservative
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The USA and Reagan objectives in Afghanistan were clearcut - all part of the effort to bog down the Soviet Union and keep them from getting a breakout all the way south into Iran’s and Iraq’s oil fields and perhaps to menace India as well.

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So Reagan wanted to bog Russia down in a country with no importance to the USA, so as to keep them from other countries that were not our friends or allies either - as if Russia was even capable of doing that.

Biden wants to bog down/defeat Russia in a country with little importance to the USA to keep it from encroaching on our western allies.

History may not repeat but it rhymes.

I like Reagan. No RDS here. Biden is doing similar to what Reagan did.


91 posted on 05/05/2023 5:38:27 PM PDT by dominusobiscum (A Christians true heart can be revealed by how they treat others anonymously on discussion forums.)
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To: dominusobiscum

Who cares if Afghanistan was important to us? It was important to RUSSIA, and by extension us. Important for the strategic reasons I stated.

The 1980s existential threat posed by the USSR were clearcut.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine isn’t as clearcut an existential threat.

Of course, Germany’s lebensraum quest in 1938 in the Sudetenland wasn’t an existential threat to the USA and England and France either —

-— until it was

Also glad to see at least one other Freeper likes Ronald Reagan as well.

Reagan Derangement Syndrome is a real ailment on Free Republic due to the quest by many Freepers to belittle Reagan so they can put President Trump on Mt. Rushmore.


92 posted on 05/06/2023 11:25:29 AM PDT by Old West Conservative
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To: Old West Conservative

Who cares if Afghanistan was important to us? It was important to RUSSIA, and by extension us. Important for the strategic reasons I stated.
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Same for Ukraine.

There are many here who think we shouldnt care about Ukraine. I think we should for strategic reaaons as we did for Afghanistan. So we are both singing out of the same hymnbook.


93 posted on 05/06/2023 12:40:13 PM PDT by dominusobiscum (A Christians true heart can be revealed by how they treat others anonymously on discussion forums.)
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