Posted on 04/30/2023 4:23:21 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
Guess not.
“But I’ve been told repeatedly since October that “it’s over” in Bakhmut.”
LOL putin/russia lies, as do their loyal fan club
That was Russian propaganda.
It's important Russia keeps a door open to the charnel house.
I does appear that Putin thought he could walk through Ukraine, but miscalculated to a massive scale.
If he had gone for kherson and Donbas things might have been different.
What concerns me is even if Ukrainian offensive is wildly successful Russia will not quit, and this will go on for years.
Not even sure the removal of Putin will change this. The enemy we know as compared the enemy we don’t…
From what is see the Russian public or at least the higher ups are a blood thirsty lot and their mindset is something hard to comprehend
A conclusion I came to after many deployments to the Middle East and what I see as one of the biggest problems at least as far as US is concerned is that we tend to project our values on others
Example. Why when the despots that were controlling iraq, Libya and Afghanistan didn’t the people rise up and support democratic ideals….
Answer they have no history of that, but when told that people often go nah it’s something else
And when we we see Russian grandmas and mothers saying kill all Ukrainians and we can make more children to send to the front we naturally say they must be spouting propaganda. Don’t be so sure their mindsets are mostly not the same. Even those who fled Russia to avoid draft are not exactly condemning the war, they just did t want to die for it
The Ruskies have taken about 94% of Bakhmut to date. That means the Ukes have good chance at taking it back!
Russia is losing.
The Russian army is running out of ammo.
Putin is on his death bed.
Putin is going to be overthrown in a coup any day now.
Have I forgotten anything?
The people here who keep telling us Rusdian lies about the war are despicable.
The damn Russians themselves are screaming about their losses on Bachmut, and about their need to get ready for the Ukrainian offensive.
And these idiots or creeps are in here saying it’s all lies, we’re so stupid and yelling something about “homos”.
We need intelligent discussion not these childish idiots.
Russia committed to Bachmut and has suffered significant losses. This is mirrored by them making almost no gains elsewhere.
They’ve been defeated in attacks on several other small towns.
That much is clear. Maybe things will change but people thought Bachmut would fall months ago. It didn’t.
The Ukrainian fighters at Bachmut are heroes, the scumbags and “homos” are the jerks here lying about those heroes.
Let me add to your list
You are a fool
Was this article about Putin’s health?
No
Sorry you’re uoset by the reality of the war giing badly for Putin.
Boo hoo.
yeah, russia/putin think they are so clever with their lies
You didn’t answer my question.
UK: West Must Double Down Even if Ukr Offensive Fails, Medvedev: Russia Will Go Full Victory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DME9gPoQWIU&ab_channel=AlexanderMercouris
Thank you for your thoughtful and thought-provoking comment
we need to tell ourselves the truth about putin/russia AND the russian people
Name calling. That's all you do.
Anyone that believes Reuters is an idiot.
Zeepers like laughing about Russia not fully surrounding Bakhmut. The entire point of leaving open a point of resupply and reinforcement is so Russian artillery can wipe out all they send. If they encircled the city piecemeal, that’s less men and material Russia can destroy. It’s a black hole for the ukies. They just keep feeding men and supplies to Russian guns. If Russia wanted that supply line closed, it would be closed.
A private can understand this.
But in the 2020s it’s all about the memes and narrative.
Anyone that believes Reuters is an idiot.
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Yep, one always has to consider the reliability and leanings of the source. Reuters isn’t exactly an exemplar of objectivity IMO.
If Russias intent was to not encircle bahkmut, then why all the false bragging for the last 8 months by the agression supporters that it was surronded, encircled,has fallen, etc,etc,when that was supposedly never the objective? Does not add up.
The Ukrainians have already won in Bakhmut. Their goal was to tie up the Russian forces and keep them busy and taking casualties in one area over the winter. That goal has been achieved.
What was Russia's goal? All they have achieved at the cost of thousands of lives, and ten months of effort is to capture most of the ruins of a small, empty city. They have moved their front lines a few miles, at the price of about one Russian soldier per foot.
Your post would have some rational basis if your fellow pro-Putin posters had not been claiming for months that Russia's plan was to encircle Bakhmut and surround the Ukrainians.
Now that the encirclement failed you make up a new rationale for Russia's behavior.
Why don't you tell us why the destruction of an oil terminal in Crimea was a part of Russia's strategic plan also.
That will probably be part of your assignment from the Russian MOD next week.
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