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Judge Holds Standard Capacity Magazines are “Not in Common Use for Self Defense”
AmmoLand ^ | April 25, 2023 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/27/2023 4:24:36 AM PDT by marktwain

In the case of Hanson v. District of Columbia, in the District Court of the District of Columbia, on April 20, 2023, federal Judge Rudolf Contreras issued an opinion holding standard capacity magazines which hold more than ten rounds of ammunition are not protected under the rights which the Second Amendment was written to protect. Judge Contreras acknowledges magazines that hold more than ten rounds are in common use in the United States of America. Judge Contreras acknowledges magazines that hold more than ten rounds are arms as defined by the words of the Second Amendment.

Judge Rudolf Contreras goes to great lengths to determine magazines that hold more than ten rounds are not included under the rights of the Second Amendment. The linguistic juggling to accomplish this difficult task is impressive, not to mention the stretching and twisting of logic. From the opinion:

“More importantly, Heller II recognized that whether LCMs are “in common use” is merely the beginning of the analysis. The full inquiry is “whether the prohibited weapons are ‘typically possessed . . . for lawful purposes.’” Heller II, 670 F.3d at 1260 (emphasis added) (quoting Heller, 554 U.S. at 625). On that critical question, Heller II expressed uncertainty: “based upon the record as it stands, we cannot be certain whether these weapons are commonly used or are useful specifically for self-defense[.]” Id. at 1261 (emphasis added). That is the question this Court must now resolve.”

The simple and straightforward understanding of whether magazines with a capacity of over ten rounds are typically in common use for lawful purposes is clear. There are tens or hundreds of millions of such magazines in the United States. If standard capacity magazines were typically possessed for unlawful purposes,

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Judge Contreras admits magazines which hold more than 10 rounds are in common use. He admits they qualify as arms under the Second Amendment.

Then he says they do not qualify for protection under the Second Amendment because they are useful as military weapons.

1 posted on 04/27/2023 4:24:36 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Magazines didn’t exist when the U.S. constitution was ratified.


2 posted on 04/27/2023 4:30:36 AM PDT by TheElectionWasStolen
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To: marktwain

Such an intellect. They should appoint him to a medical board, he’s probably smart enough to quarterback surgeries. I bet he could fly a jumbo jet with his wisdom.


3 posted on 04/27/2023 4:37:01 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm?)
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To: marktwain
This is going to get overturned so fast.

As anyone with even a rudementary understanding of the Second Amendment knows, weapons in common use aren't primarily protected for self-defense, presumably against fellow citizens.

That's an additional benefit.

Weapons in common use are protected in the Second Amendment for use against a tyrannical Government, should the need arise to protect citizens from said tyrannical Government!

Our Founding Fathers had intimate knowledge of why they needed protection because they were rebellign against tyranny!

Contreras should be tossed from the bench and disbarred for such legal hijinx.

4 posted on 04/27/2023 4:40:32 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: TheElectionWasStolen

“common use” means....1800, 1900, 2000 2023....


5 posted on 04/27/2023 4:41:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: TheElectionWasStolen
Magazines didn’t exist when the U.S. constitution was ratified.

Irrelevant. Is your argument we should all be limited to single shot black powder weapons then?

6 posted on 04/27/2023 4:42:29 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Buttons12

>>Such an intellect. They should appoint him to a medical board, he’s probably smart enough to quarterback surgeries. I bet he could fly a jumbo jet with his wisdom.

What do you really expect from an “Obama judge” ?


7 posted on 04/27/2023 4:43:46 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~you/base)
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To: marktwain

Strzok suggested a “cocktail party” with FISA: Judge Rudolph Contreras in a July 25, 2016, message to FBI attorney Lisa Page... Days later, on July 31, Strzok opened Crossfire Hurricane.. the FBI’s planting lies on Trump.

Strzok handled the fake Clinton email investigation / cover-up .

-3- Strzok was one of the FBI officers who put Flynn in cage, then shot him..- ht to Jonathan Turley


8 posted on 04/27/2023 4:46:24 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: usconservative
Even IF the point of the 2nd amendment was about self-defense (and I have zero disagreement with your point; I'm merely using it to launch against the malformed logic of this judge), then self-defense is all about defense against those being un-lawful in our society... and by his own statement, the outlaws COMMONLY have high-capacity, military-grade magazines for their weapons.

Ergo: the rest of us need them, too.

9 posted on 04/27/2023 4:52:44 AM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: TheElectionWasStolen
Magazines didn’t exist when the U.S. constitution was ratified.

I don't know if you are serious, or being sarcastic. Either way, the above statement is wrong and apparently you've never heard of the Puckle Gun, the Fergeson Rifle, or the Girandoni air rifle. As rudimentary as they were, all three used some form of magazine to facilitate rapid fire, before the Constitution was ratified and were in use in the America at some point of the other.

10 posted on 04/27/2023 4:53:59 AM PDT by Turbo Pig ('To close with and destroy the enemy")
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To: marktwain

contreras=FISA COURT


11 posted on 04/27/2023 4:57:10 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: usconservative

WELL SAID!


12 posted on 04/27/2023 4:57:26 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: marktwain

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS


13 posted on 04/27/2023 5:04:34 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: alancarp

Your logic is impeccable.


14 posted on 04/27/2023 5:05:11 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: marktwain
an opinion holding standard capacity magazines which hold more than ten rounds of ammunition are not protected under the rights which the Second Amendment was written to protect.

As another poster has correctly noted, magazines did not exist at the time the Constitution was ratified. If that becomes a standard (it's not) then the First Amendment cannot be said to protect speech on TV, radio, the internet, etc. I guess the First Amendment protects a literal printing press but nothing else. That is, if the Second Amendment only protects firearm technology as it existed in the 18th century.

15 posted on 04/27/2023 5:07:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: usconservative

Ridiculous..

I would estimate that just about every standard size pistol made since the 80s used a “high cap” mag as standard until “high cap” restrictions came in.

and EVERY single LEO issued pistol since the 80s was and is “high cap”.

can’t get much more common than that.


16 posted on 04/27/2023 5:12:34 AM PDT by uranium penguin
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To: marktwain

Hmm, it almost looks like hat might in conflict with some premises of Miller

If so I wonder if it would be used to get us back in front of SC for review?


17 posted on 04/27/2023 5:29:19 AM PDT by Manuel OKelley
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To: marktwain

“Caetano v Massachusetts”...SCOTUS 2016...9-0 vote. Massachusetts lost.


18 posted on 04/27/2023 5:47:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Two Words: BANANA REPUBLIC!)
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To: marktwain

And just how many hundreds of millions of these magazines are in circulation in the US? I bet the count is over a billion, maybe several.


19 posted on 04/27/2023 5:48:01 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Go Woke, Go Broke. Every Time Trump Says Something, I'm Closer to Anyone But Trump.)
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To: marktwain

Osama Obama appointee.


20 posted on 04/27/2023 5:49:05 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Two Words: BANANA REPUBLIC!)
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