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To: Cronos

If the tangible reality does not line up with your theory, you should consider adjusting/trashing the theory.

It’s not Russia moving into our space.

It’s us moving into their space.

(((Russia’s frontier)))

—Syria, politically allied since 1944, a formal Soviet and then Russia security ally since 1971 with naval and air bases there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Syria_relations Also an OPEC country, and we decided to invade them in 2014.

—Venezuela, Russian aligned, we decided to overthrow the government in 2020, got caught red handed doing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) Also an OPEC county.

—Libya, Soviet and then Russian aligned since 1969: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya%E2%80%93Russia_relations We decided to overthrow the government in 2011. Also an OPEC country. We are just lying about not being there. We have both Special ops and major CIA activities there: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/17/secret-us-mission-in-libya-revealed-after-air-force-posted-pictures

(((Russia’s border states)))

—Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, former Soviet Republics bordering Russia, we moved in 2004 and today are NATO members.

—Republic of Georgia, we offered NATO membership in 2008 and Russia invaded, putting an end to that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

—Ukraine, we pushed for NATO in 2014, and then again in 2021: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (this caused the war, we caused the war)

I’m sure your way of seeing the world makes you feel better about yourself, but you really need to ask yourself if it even remotely lines up with reality post Cold War. The Warsaw Pact is gone. The Soviet Union is gone. We want to pretend as if it still exists in order to justify our actions, but it simply is not the case. This is not Russia expanding West, it is us expanding East: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2468hDl6E

It isn’t Russia that is intentionally leaking documents in Mexico to pressure their government: https://bnn.network/watch-now/amlo-alleges-pentagon-spying-and-dea-leaks-in-mexico/ It isn’t Russia that is having senior party leaders proposing “invading” our neighbor to the South: https://www.newsweek.com/lindsey-graham-mexico-military-drug-kidnapping-1786025

We have become the expansionist one.

We are the one quickly willing to use military force in order to achieve economic gain because we see no feasible/viable retaliation to us. We are an unparalleled military power today, but our ruling political class is still just a bunch of greedy savages like they always have been, anywhere, all through history. Bottom line, we have become the belligerent. There comes a point, and it’s a hard pill to swallow, where you realize, you’re not the good guy anymore, it’s you that is the bully on the playground, following no rules anymore, acting ever more aggressive and without concern of the plight and destruction we are causing in furthering our economic agenda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLmuF-0P4tk


70 posted on 04/23/2023 8:57:00 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

Actually no, it is not “the USA moving into Russia’s space”

It is “Ukrainians don’t want to be Russia’s vassal or worse - so they are fighting and they succeeded in March 2022 to not be a vassal, but are still fighting”


71 posted on 04/24/2023 4:44:17 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Red6; Williams; Berlin_Freeper
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, former Soviet Republics bordering Russia, we moved in 2004 and today are NATO members.

Oh that is bull - the Baltic states were crushed by Muscowy and they desperately left and looked for any alliances that would stop Russia from crushing and assimilating them

If Russia was willing to be a friend and not a threat, then they would have been happy with a Finlandization -- but even Finland see's no point in Finlandization with Putin's Muscowy

72 posted on 04/24/2023 4:46:06 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Red6; Williams; Berlin_Freeper
Republic of Georgia, we offered NATO membership in 2008

That's even more bull - Georgia REQUESTED to join NATO to prevent Russia invading

their application was rejected "for fear of PROVOKING RUSSIA" -- and 6 weeks after the rejection, Russia invaded

If Georgia was let in, then they would not have been invaded by Moscow

73 posted on 04/24/2023 4:47:14 AM PDT by Cronos
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