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This article, based on the leaks, demonstrates two things vividly:

1. Russia's strategy with the cheap Iranian drones was a major winner. They ate air defense and did so cheaply.

2. The world has been lied to. As big and complete a lie as "this man is a woman".

1 posted on 04/09/2023 7:17:15 AM PDT by Mariner
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These leaks bolster everything the antiwar faction on tFR have been saying for 13 months. It’s over.


2 posted on 04/09/2023 7:19:37 AM PDT by JonPreston
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The document outlined how Ukrainian forces “were almost operationally encircled by Russian forces in Bakhmut,” as of Feb. 25

Okay

3 posted on 04/09/2023 7:20:24 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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This article, based on the leaks, demonstrates two things vividly:

It also points out a simple answer: Another chart appears to suggest that Ukrainian air defense focus on Russian jets and helicopters and ignore smaller threats, like drones, in light of the expected shortfalls, according to the Post.

4 posted on 04/09/2023 7:22:56 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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“The Man Who Never Was”


5 posted on 04/09/2023 7:23:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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The Biden globalists are delighted that white Christians are decimating each other in this ongoing meat grinder. Also the new technologies (AI, pinpoint surveillance, drones etc) even in the limited extent they were deployed in this war , has demonstrated to observers that the nature of warfare is forever changed, Armored land vehicles, naval surface combatants, helicopters and even fixed wing aircraft cannot survive on a modern battlefield if the opponents have even a modicum of technological sophistication.


7 posted on 04/09/2023 7:25:27 AM PDT by allendale
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This is the Newest War fought, and it appears there is a Learning Curve that is still in play.

The Lies are having less effect as the future unfolds.

8 posted on 04/09/2023 7:29:35 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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It also demonstrates that the supposedly Ukraine-friendly DOD leaks like a sieve to Ukraine’s detriment.


9 posted on 04/09/2023 7:30:20 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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One document discussed the number of HIMARS and 155 artillery the Ukes are firing per day. HIMARS is almost nothing, and 155 artillery is a low figure of about 1500 rounds per day.

It backs up the “out of ammo” comments we have been hearing from the MSM recently.

Always read the state-controlled media, Pravda, People’s Daily, NY Times, Washington Post. In their lies, there will be glaring contradictions, and in those, sometimes you can find truth.


11 posted on 04/09/2023 7:30:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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“Another chart appears to suggest that Ukrainian air defense focus on Russian jets and helicopters and ignore smaller threats, like drones, in light of the expected shortfalls, according to the Post.”

Armenia did that in their latest war against Azerbaijan...didn’t work out too well.


12 posted on 04/09/2023 7:32:22 AM PDT by BobL
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Maybe the documents are faked or leaked on purpose. Who knows


14 posted on 04/09/2023 7:33:38 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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Are the documents legitimate? I have no idea - I’d have to see the original documents in the Pentagon or Joint Chiefs - which isn’t happening.

Most of it is covered in a War Zone article - but they are unlike the classified documents of my day; these are printed in terrible colors and then photoed in a crumbled state with no attempt to smooth or straighten them.

That’s all I can say other than, if they are real, the printing standards are somewhere below amateur and into grade school levels. Not what one would expect from today’s services, unless they are hiring grade schoolers to do document formatting and printing.

My 2cents


17 posted on 04/09/2023 7:41:28 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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This is the sideshow - the False Flag - the Misdirection - of the real destruction caused by Bush-Obama-Biden Forever War policies.

The death of the Petrodollar is the Golden Ring for the Globalists-

(”Three Days of the Condor” anyone?)

China chatting with Commie Lulu
China-Russian trade
India srceweling it up too

BRICS + Middle East Oil means goodbye USA

Wait til the Malaca Straits ChiCom “Toll” is implemented.

Maybe Jimmy Rogers picked the wrong place after all?


19 posted on 04/09/2023 7:43:24 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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Is this leak an actual, unauthorized leak, or psyops?


26 posted on 04/09/2023 7:48:56 AM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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The article says Bachmut was almost encircled in February.
It’s April and they aren’t being encircled. They are being pushed back to defensive positions further West. They still hold some of the city itself.

Drones? Ukraine produced 50,000 of its own cheap drones.

Document didn’t mention the coming Spring offensive. That was and is the main focus and not even mentioned.

As for running out of air defense missiles, they must have received more because they are planning on moving Patriots up to the front line for the offensive.

I don’t predict the outcome of a war, but all your breathless “The world was lied to!” is so much bs.

The battle lines and the Russian frustration are undeniably visible for the whole world to see.

Are the Russians lying? Because they have been warning they are vulnerable for months.


28 posted on 04/09/2023 7:51:59 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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Very soon, the Bidet war whores in the white shed will have to make a clear choice.

Either get involved directly in this conflict of pull out and do damage control when the rest of the NATO countries finally realize the USA is not to be trusted at all anymore. The merc forces in country arent doing the job..not enough, and cant get the support from the little shagging grifter in Kiev.

I suspect the stupid is strong and they will send in US military forces.


38 posted on 04/09/2023 7:56:25 AM PDT by crz
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A nation where the leader pushes homosexual marriage in the middle of a war shows how serious they are about winning a war. Non serious people tend to lose


46 posted on 04/09/2023 8:00:38 AM PDT by BRL
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Drones are changing the nature of warfare.


52 posted on 04/09/2023 8:02:24 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Only way Ukraine doesn’t lose is if NATO puts troops on the ground..

NATO puts troops on the ground, odds of at least a tactical nuclear strike are better than 50/50 and world war 3 has begun


64 posted on 04/09/2023 8:17:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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How many here have been denying this and repeating the Baghdad Bob level propaganda coming from the Biden regime and attacking others here for refuting it?


66 posted on 04/09/2023 8:25:30 AM PDT by Kazan
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To keep the lower IQ citizens up in arms is to have them distracted and keep reading and believing garbage tranny headlines, Trump, and the “race” legislature in Tennessee. The real news is the stories of the leaked documents as well as the shortage of workers on the west coast. FJB.


69 posted on 04/09/2023 8:38:03 AM PDT by Dominic01 (Political correctness has become a psychosis)
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