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READ: Trump indictment and statement of facts
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Posted on 04/04/2023 1:32:24 PM PDT by FarCenter

The statement of facts is more informative than the indictment.

If Trump had simply written Daniels a check for $130K from his personal funds there would be no case.

But that's not how the payment was made.


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To: FarCenter

Congress tapped a $17 million dollar taxpayer funded hush fund to pay off and silence people accusing members of sexual and other misbehaviors.

Did they write personal checks?
Did they claim the funds on their tax returns?
Why is this hidden from taxpayers….because it might influence their reelection?
Does that make it a campaign donation or expense?
Inquiring minds


21 posted on 04/04/2023 2:08:11 PM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: FarCenter

Technofog: There’s a curious omission in the Donald Trump indictment and statement of facts -

The specific federal law Trump violated.


22 posted on 04/04/2023 2:09:19 PM PDT by kabar
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To: John 3_19-21

>>Where did you get that load of crap?

That is quoted from the Statement of Facts.


23 posted on 04/04/2023 2:10:17 PM PDT by FarCenter
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To: Alberta's Child
In 2017, Congress paid $17 million of taxpayer money to shut down sexual harassment cases. I guess THAT is perfectly okay...
24 posted on 04/04/2023 2:27:54 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: silverleaf

Exactly - using our tax dollars to make rape cases disappear - but it can’t be traced back to their personal or PAC funds. Bunch of slimy hypocrites.


25 posted on 04/04/2023 2:31:23 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: John 3_19-21

It’s on Daily UK mail, they posted the legal papers.


26 posted on 04/04/2023 2:33:13 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: fhayek

I sure hope Trump’s lawyers bring that up. They had to sign NDA’s to get the settlement money.


27 posted on 04/04/2023 2:35:02 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: John 3_19-21

There’s two documents: the indictment and the statement of facts. It was from the other document.


28 posted on 04/04/2023 2:38:35 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (The rot of all principle begins with a single compromise.)
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To: kabar

“The specific federal law Trump violated.”

Not a federal case. State law 175.10 stated in first paragraph and in each count.


29 posted on 04/04/2023 2:46:47 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: FarCenter

The indictment is weak for two reasons:

1) The prosecutors have to prove not just that the business records were falsified, but that Trump falsified the records with “the intent to defraud.” That term basically means that you intend to rip a third party or the government off. Ironically, the entire theory of the indictment is that Trump’s intent was to help his campaign. That is not “intent to defraud.”

2) Additionally, the prosecution must prove that Trump intended to violate another statute. It is highly questionable whether a federal crime can be that statute. Even if it is, it is highly questionable whether Trump’s actions, even if true, amount to a federal campaign finance violation.


30 posted on 04/04/2023 2:49:24 PM PDT by bort
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To: TexasGator

https://twitter.com/techno_fog/status/1643347714971783170?s=61&t=BspBEkX2hzhEXXxbQreKxg

Techno_Fog is one of the most respected lawyers on Twitter. Bragg is linking the charges to federal election law without citing the law.


31 posted on 04/04/2023 3:01:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: TexasGator

Another voice: Former Assistant U.S. Attorney @AndrewCMcCarthy: “If the judge does his job right here, the case should be dismissed...I would dismiss it on its face because it fails to state a crime. Here, it fails to state a crime 34 times!”


32 posted on 04/04/2023 3:06:39 PM PDT by kabar
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To: TexasGator
Not a federal case. State law 175.10 stated in first paragraph and in each count.

Bragg is relying on a novel legal theory that the supposed violation of a federal campaign finance law is sufficient to raise NY 175.10 from a misdemeanor whose statute of limitations has expired to a felony where he can argue that the statute of limitations has not expired.

Bragg's case also requires one to believe that payments to Cohen far in excess of the amount Cohen paid to Daniels are somehow payments for that purpose. According to Bragg Trump's organization paid Cohen $450,000 over 12 months and accounted for it as a legal expense base on it being a monthly retainer for Cohen.

Strangely, Bragg claims that recording the payments as what they were is a "false" business record since some of the money was actually used by Cohen to repay the loan he took out personally to settle with Daniels.

By Bragg's logic if you pay your lawyer and characterize the checks as legal payments, but the lawyer takes the money and buys a new boat you are violating New York law because you made "false" business records.

This is one of the most ridiculous cases I have seen.

We are seeing another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome being played out by liberal Democrats.

33 posted on 04/04/2023 3:08:42 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: FarCenter
As per the statement of facts, two women were paid off not to disclose their affairs with Trump. Trump was married to Melania when these two alleged affairs took place.

Trump also had an affair with Marla Maples when he was married to Ivana. Repeated infidelity is not a conservative value.

34 posted on 04/04/2023 3:10:03 PM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater 2024)
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To: freeandfreezing

PTrump had already resigned/divested during this timeframe

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/04/04/the-trump-indictment-is-even-more-silly-than-anyone-imagined/#more-245145


35 posted on 04/04/2023 3:10:47 PM PDT by combat_boots ( )
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To: kabar

“Bragg is linking the charges to federal election law without citing the law.”

That is another issue. The indictment only applies to falsification of business records and NY Penal 175.10.


36 posted on 04/04/2023 3:11:37 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: freeandfreezing

“By Bragg’s logic if you pay your lawyer and characterize the checks as legal payments,”

Per the statement of facts invoices and payments were per a retainer agreement but no such agreement existed.


37 posted on 04/04/2023 3:13:57 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: thegagline

“Repeated infidelity is not a conservative value.”

Trump was never a conservative.


38 posted on 04/04/2023 3:15:25 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

So did you enjoy those Jimmy Carter years?


39 posted on 04/04/2023 3:16:28 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: freeandfreezing

“Strangely, Bragg claims that recording the payments as what they were is a “false” business record since some of the money was actually used by Cohen to repay the loan he took out personally to settle with Daniels.”

No. He is claiming that Trump falsified records by documenting payments for a retainer when no retainer existed.


40 posted on 04/04/2023 3:17:41 PM PDT by TexasGator
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