Posted on 03/25/2023 11:20:29 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
What world do you live in? It was Russia who started this war by their invasion. It is Ukrainians who are defending their country against a Russian invasion. It is Ukrainians who are dying in battle. The U.S. aide is to support the Ukrainians in their defense of their country. If Russia were to withdraw back to their own country, not one soldier would be crossing their border to attack them. Russia is not the poor victim here.
So the Russians and Ukrainians will both be going at each other with shovels.==
WHy both? Ukies are with shovels but Russes with tanks, cannons, AKs and RPGs and machineguns.
The only ethnic Russian majority territory in Ukraine is Crimea. Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson have majority Ukrainian populations.
…and they are now officially a part of the Russian Federation. His first objective is being realized.
Russian holds only half of the territories of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson. They do not even hold the major cities of Zaporizhia and Kherson.
Clausewitz comes at you fast.
So teasing bringing Ukraine into NATO and staging weapons on the border with Russia and building illegal biological weapons laboratories in Ukraine had nothing to do with it?
What world do you live in?
An empty-skull world where history begins when your two brain cells say it does?
West was giving from its stockpiles, but not paying to ramp up production to rebuild them. Probably neither side expected the war to last this long. Soviets had left huge stockpiles, although age and poor oversight of its stockpiles had somewhat diminished their size advantage. And the higher tech western stuff offered more ‘bang’ for each bang. But if you want to keep using new stuff you eventually have to boost production. Until the west is willing to try that comparing manufacturing potential is premature. My understanding is that Europe recently placed an order that might provide 6 months worth of shells. Putin, in addition to trying to increase his own production has been buying from Norks and Iran. You’d think the military industrial complex here would be drooling, but how much of an increase over peacetime production levels has Biden actually ordered?
I do not support your premise that this is a proxy war, unless you want to state that it is Russia who is trying to make it so. Ukraine is defending itself against a Russian invasion. As for Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, etc.; no I do not support U.S. involvement in these conflicts. Unlike Ukraine, these are internal conflicts. Ukraine, on the other hand, is about a foreign invasion.
Now I in turn must ask you, do you support the Russian subjugation of the Ukrainian people?
Most of us live in the free world, so we don't believe the Russian propaganda talking points.
Why are you still repeating Russian propaganda talking points from a year ago?
I should know better than to engage with a potato.
Are you a Russian? Your degree of reading comprehension and critical thinking seems like one of those guys who launch infantry assaults across open fields against Ukrainians armed with machine guns and mortars.
Perhaps a danceathon with Zelensky the opening act
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I guess words coming out of Zelensky’’s own mouth are ignored by you. Zelensky now spewing Russian propaganda.
You are funny.
You should have reminded me sooner about arguing with a potato. LOL
He is a liar and a begger
US/NATO intelligence agencies and militaries have repeatedly assured us the Russians were out of everything, multiple times. Pretty standard screwups and lies out of these agencies, par for the course. Now the warmongers George Washington II says they are out of ammo, more lies?
If the truth ever comes out about this dirty and corrupt war it will make the lies told about Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq look like a 5 year old telling a lie about breaking his new toy.
No, they had nothing to do with Russia's invasion in 2014 and they have nothing to do with it now. Putin made known his reason in his February speech before the invasion. He does not accept that Ukraine is an independent country. All else is but rationalization to justify what is, in truth, merely his attempt to reconquer Ukraine.
NATO expansion was not the cause. By its own laws, Ukraine could not join NATO as long as Crimea and Donbas were occupied by Russia. All the talk about Ukraine joining NATO was just that, talk. And Putin knew this. You are also discounting Ukraine's motivation for wanting to join NATO because of Russian threats, threats that became real with the 2014 invasion. If NATO expansion had been the cause, Putin could have easily negotiated Ukrainian neutrality in exchange for his withdrawal from Donbas and Crimea.
The Irony is that Putin could have just annexed the parts of Donbas that he occupied and it would have been an fait accompli. There would have been a lot of rhetoric from the West but there would have been no military aide to Ukraine to get it back. But Putin had to be greedy and tried to conquer all of Ukraine. It has not worked out as he had anticipated.
Biden's depleted our oil reserve too, and isn't taking any steps to replenish it. Left us in a pretty sad state if we had to supply our military with fuel to go to war with Russia/China. It was hard enough to keep the vehicles our troops relied on in WWII. It wouldn't be any easier this time around. Every country that relies on Russia for its oil/gas, wouldn't be able to help us. And there's no guarantee that the oil-producing countries in the Middle East would provide it either.
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