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Siberia is up for grabs as Putin becomes China's vassal
msn.com ^ | 18 March 2023 | Matthew Henderson

Posted on 03/18/2023 10:43:32 PM PDT by anthropocene_x

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To: NorseViking

Decline to state isn’t an answer.

For a Freeper, the question of whether you prefer a weaker United States/West, or a weaker China, should be a given.


41 posted on 03/19/2023 8:20:15 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: BobL
Bottom line is that Russia will simply FLATTEN China or any other country that makes a play for its land.

With what? Russia can barely handle Ukraine. China would put up a lot more fight than them.

Nukes? Russia might be able to land a couple, but they'll probably have more malfunctions than not, on the ones that are even launchable. I'd bet China can land more than Russia can.
42 posted on 03/19/2023 8:45:23 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Reno89519
I bet even Apple, Microsoft, Nikon, Canon, etc. have contingency plans in place to move or restart production outside of China if products from there became unavailable.

They already have. China's been getting more and more expensive, so a lot of cheap manufacturing has found other places like India or Indonesia or such.
43 posted on 03/19/2023 8:50:19 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not so sure China is far more ruthless than Russia can ever be if they want Siberia the odds are their favor.

It would have a two sided advantage for China to have on the U.S. it would end up a no option deal for the U.S.

About the only option to slow them down take them out of the world trade if the U.N. had the stones to do so.


44 posted on 03/19/2023 8:51:14 AM PDT by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: anthropocene_x

Russia is supposed to build Power of Siberia pipeline #2 to bring much larger volumes of natural gas to China. There are no signs of this being built. My take is that once this is built. Then China will have more incentive to invade and take this pipeline.

Plus Russia is too chaotic with its war against Ukraine. To start construction. No foreign banks will lend them the money to build this #2 gas pipeline.

So dumbass Rooskies are left with no major ways to sell their gas to Asia. Their LNG liquefaction facilities are piss poor. Dumbass Putin messed up a good thing. The Rooskies had great pipelines to move gas to Europe. Roooskies were making billions upon billions of dollars. Everyone in Russia was happy. Now Russia has at least 100,000 that Putin sent to their deaths. All for nothing, except for Putin’s Tsarist fantasies.

Vainglorious, phony Tsar Putin is bad for Oligarch’s business, and will be overthrown and killed this October, if the Ukraine war goes badly. If cancer does not kill him first...


45 posted on 03/19/2023 8:55:44 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: anthropocene_x

Our neocon fools of leaders have pushed Russia into the arms of the CCP. A Eurasia united against the USA. I sure hope you are happy now, fools. But it is even worst than that since Iran and Saudi Arabia are now allied against us too. Iran is no surprise and I guess the Saudis can see the writing on the wall but by all means continue the war in Ukraine.


46 posted on 03/19/2023 9:04:14 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Cronos

Russia has the Kinzhal, a working hypersonic missile which the entire West, including America, does not.

There is no admitted defense against it either.


47 posted on 03/19/2023 9:18:11 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: Svartalfiar

I would prefer Vietnam, at least they are an ally. Nothing should go or come from India, as they are not our friends.


48 posted on 03/19/2023 9:22:21 AM PDT by Reno89519 (DeSantis or Sanders, Anyone But Trump in 2024. Time for Trump to Stand Aside and Retire.)
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To: ansel12

You are now trolling at high school level to invoke anti-Americanism on my part. It is too low for an adult person.


49 posted on 03/19/2023 9:34:44 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

That clearly answers the question.

You want a weaker United States/West and a stronger China.


50 posted on 03/19/2023 9:39:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

I think you want it by proxy, by supporting the policies of making enemies.


51 posted on 03/19/2023 9:41:46 AM PDT by NorseViking
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“Nukes? Russia might be able to land a couple, but they’ll probably have more malfunctions than not, on the ones that are even launchable.”

TROLLING ALERT!!!!!!!!!


52 posted on 03/19/2023 9:47:16 AM PDT by BobL
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To: anthropocene_x; All

This guy’s OPINION has been posted as Front Page News.

Well, I guess stupid people see it as Front Page news.


53 posted on 03/19/2023 9:57:48 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: NorseViking

That didn’t make sense, but then your presence at what is supposed to be a pro-America forum doesn’t make sense.

Meanwhile, China has an appetite for expansion and it is a given that hunger will be filled by Russia.


54 posted on 03/19/2023 9:58:12 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

It is a nice line of propaganda except there is no evidence to it.
Russia is more valuable for China as is. It is providing a market for finished goods and supply raw materials, it builds China an advanced nuclear deterrent including first rate early warning systems, likely to provide advanced submarine submarine technology and much more.


55 posted on 03/19/2023 10:06:17 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

China taking land from Russia is a given and has been seen as inevitable for many years, and that inevitability is getting closer due to Putin’s gross incompetence and incredible misjudgments.


56 posted on 03/19/2023 10:20:06 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

We have had hypersonic missiles, like the Russian or Chinese or GB or India, for decades, and they are called ICBMs. Every ICBM and SLBM (submarine launched ballistic missile) is hypersonic cause it’s traveling at speeds over Mach 20.

Kinzhal and Avangard HGV are just a ballistic missile and a reentry vehicle respectively, these have always been hypersonic. Did you know that a WWII era V2 rocket is also hypersonic in its terminal phase?


57 posted on 03/19/2023 10:32:06 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

They absolutely don’t.

Russia is Putin’s 22 year dictatorship. A dictator doesn’t like successors who can be rivals.

Putin has no successor in place


58 posted on 03/19/2023 10:33:35 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Educate yourself.

https://www.dw.com/en/russias-hypersonic-missiles-what-you-need-to-know/a-61204404

59 posted on 03/19/2023 10:35:46 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: ansel12

But it doesn’t taoe place. The only incompetence we see is that of the US foreign foreign policy, financial authorities, and even the military, where they are providing substandard training to the Ukrainians and also the best US special operators are getting routinely slaughtered by the Russian regulars they are trying to ambush. I even posted you videos of stupid engagements. It is even worse for the British. It is said that their special operators have run out of personnel, killed off by the Russian draftees everytime they met them. The amateurs need to stay in a sandbox and stop bothering big guys.


60 posted on 03/19/2023 10:39:50 AM PDT by NorseViking
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